The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
00:07:49 · Jason Lemkin, Rory O'Driscoll
[00:07:49] S2: No. No. My very tactical view, and then I'll give you... My very tactical view was this was just a risk factor in an s one done live. My tactical view is Anthropix going public. He is just, you know, in part because of the employee that worked there four weeks or eight weeks that said there's a 10 risk of destroying humanity, which many agreed with. But he's just getting ahead of a risk factor so that when the $2,000,000,000,000 IPO happens, it's a non issue. I honestly think he's enunciating a risk factor. We're ahead of it. We're gonna debate it as a society. And so when we go on the roadshow to New York and and everywhere else, no one cares. It's not even cynical. I think it's your job as CEO. That that was less less discussed. [00:08:26] S1: I'm sorry. You can't say... I mean, words have meaning. If you... And, again, I'm gonna be fair to doubt. He didn't say 10% chance of blowing up the world. [00:08:33] S2: He responded to it.
00:08:33 · Jason Lemkin, Rory O'Driscoll
[00:08:33] S2: He responded to it. [00:08:35] S1: Yes. You're right. He responded to it. I feel like if government was doing its job, we'd convene a congressional committee, we'd subpoena Dario and say, your head of safety, not the guy who quit, Jason. This is an important point. Not the guy who quit, but your head of safety said, me and many of my people, there's a 10% think there's a 10% chance of blowing up the world. Get a fucking congressional committee, subpoena the guy, and say, mister Dario, as the head of this organization, do you believe that your safety commissioner is correct, and there's a 10% chance that you're gonna blow up the world in the next five years? Yes or no?
00:09:06 · Jason Lemkin
[00:09:06] S2: Right. But it's going to happen. This just started. You're you're acting like the feds aren't gonna rate anthropic. I don't think it's literally gonna happen. The feds are going to rate anthropic conceptually speaking. This just happened last... How many texts did you guys get from folks outside of tech asking if AI is gonna kill ourselves in the last week? I got texts from people, relatives I haven't heard from in years. Is AI going to kill us, Jason? There will be congressional committee and hearing after ad nauseam for the next twenty four months. We have just awoken the sleeping giant here that AI isn't about a bunch of folks in SF becoming, you know, sent to millionaires. The public is going to believe it's going to kill us. And I think that's why Trump I don't want go too much I think that's why Trump cut it off so quickly. I actually think he said it's not issue. We're going full bore. I don't think that was out of nowhere. I think this is because there's gonna be two years of... Every... This is all they're gonna talk about.
00:09:57 · Rory O'Driscoll
[00:09:57] S1: To to be clear, I think you are right. Is that... So maybe I should have said the future tense. We've kicked off a bolder cascade here now whereby... You're right. If I'm a... If I'm an ambitious politician, I would do this. Right? And maybe you are right. There's two risk factors in the s one. What you're saying is it's a really good point. The first risk factor is, by the way, there's a 10% chance we're gonna blow up the world. We can discuss that one. That's a fun one. But the other risk factor is because I employ people who believe we have a 10% chance of blowing up the world, and I do this because they're actually very motivated to build great AI and for whatever reason that motivates them, we can talk about that with our therapists. Because I'm running this company where these people say these crazy shit, as Jason's just pointed out, I'm probably gonna spend the next two years being investigated, and there's a series of bad things could happen for that up until including the government shutting me down. You're right, Jason. That's the risk factor. I agree with you. Yes. It's gonna be the weirdest risk factor ever. We say dumb shit, so we may get shut down.
00:10:50 · Jason Lemkin, Rory O'Driscoll, Harry Stebbings
[00:10:50] S2: There's so much going on here. It's it's it's hard to track. Right? I would just add two things I thought were the best things said. One, maybe a little political. One, I think, nonpolitical. I think the best thing actually was David Sacks this week who said, If it's that bad Dario, it's your f ing job. Whether it's 10% or if there's any material risk, your company is going to exterminate even a subset of humanity. That is your job. Your job is to fix it, down the company if you can't, right? And if you're unable to see a... Bring in a new CEO. This is your... If there's any company that had these sort of odds, it is it is your job. Right? This is product liability one zero zero zero zero one. You can't kill so... You know, there's only so many people you're allowed to kill with your product. [00:11:29] S1: And, Jason, it is... First of you're exactly... I gotta hand it to death. I think it was spot on a 100%. And I think it was really odd to see Lina Khan, who is probably the antitrust regulator most of the Silicon Valley hates the most, come out on exactly the same point. When you get David Saxe and Lena Khan, both on the same side and both making excellent points, it's a really fun issue. I I I agree with you. [00:11:50] S0: I... I'm sorry. I'm naive. If you build recursive self improvement in the way that people talk about it, is what it becomes not relatively unknown. Like, I could have good intentions for it, but it could become something else or used by malicious actors could be weaponized to be something else.
00:12:08 · Rory O'Driscoll
[00:12:08] S1: And I think... Okay. Being really clear here. I agree. That is actually the only one of the three risks itemized in the Dario thing that I think is interesting. Because the other two, economics, I think it was a foolish thing to say for a whole bunch of reasons. You can't say I'm not gonna invent technology because it puts people unemployed. We'd still be back on on all on our farm, 73% of work in the farm. That was a dumb point. Just trying to be nice and sucky yuppie. The whole cyber thing is real, but that cat's out of the barn. The commies have the the cyber, so we're done. The only thing that was a fair point... And then on the other hand, the Pee Doom thing he didn't talk about. So the only thing in his letter that was actually simultaneously, yeah, that's a fair point. And I don't have the answer is exact that we could quote lose control of the things, recursive self improvement, that kind of stuff. You're right. Of the three issues he raised, as I think from the three responses he gave, that was the one that you go, okay. I can't... Jason's point... I think Jason and David's point went on at that point. What you're saying is forget the other two, which are about other people will do shit with our technology. We'd come back. What you're saying is you're building something you can't control. If you're building something that you can't control, then maybe you should stop building it. Because you're the CEO. And as Jason... I'm gonna greet Jason and David. The third parties can keep an eye on you. But if there's people cleverer than you who can figure out the problem that you can't figure, you'd have hired them years ago. We should probably assume you're the cleverest people doing this. So either you think this is a manageable problem, in which case, keep building, or you think it's not a manageable problem, in which case, you probably should stop. But stop wringing your hands and saying, if only the rest of the world could stop me killing humanity. You're the CEO. The cacophony of anti was really good there.