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00:06:13 · Rory O'Driscoll
Dario stuff, on the other hand, it's hard not to disagree that the cyber risk is real. Of the three risks he raised, the cyber risk, real. The economic risk, I would all be unemployed, think it's a little bit bullshit. And then the third one, we lose control of the agents hard to assess. So, okay, that's the problem he's trying to solve. And then the solutions range from the unlikely to the impossible. You know, the unlikely is, yeah, we're gonna install third party monitoring agents voluntarily, but then the ask is that it be made a requirement. That's the first second thing is all the democratic governments have to agree, and that'll be easy because we get on so well with Canada and Europe right now. And then the third thing is we have to agree with the Chinese, and that's gonna go super great. Though it might go greater than the Canadians because we like the Chinese more than the Canadians. We should put in the Russians. We get on great with them. So stepping back from the bullshit side two and side three. Right? Just proposal one, which is we're gonna introduce these kind of third party monitors. And if it's voluntary, knock yourself out. You do whatever you want, Dario. Right? If the government decides that they should do something, which is different than Dario thinking they should do something, then it's not gonna be your friend's regulator. You're not gonna get to choose that. It's gonna be a law and there's gonna be regulators, just like bank regulators. And I'm not sure that's a great idea. I'm not sure it'll work really well for innovation. But if it does happen, mean, lot of the comments were either this is silly, we don't need it, or if we do need it, well, who the fuck are you to tell us what we need? We're a government. I'm kinda sympathetic to Bodak responses. Sorry. That was a vent, but I just think it's so overwrought. Sorry, Jason. I just launched. No.
00:07:49 · Jason Lemkin, Rory O'Driscoll
[00:07:49] S2: No. No. My very tactical view, and then I'll give you... My very tactical view was this was just a risk factor in an s one done live. My tactical view is Anthropix going public. He is just, you know, in part because of the employee that worked there four weeks or eight weeks that said there's a 10 risk of destroying humanity, which many agreed with. But he's just getting ahead of a risk factor so that when the $2,000,000,000,000 IPO happens, it's a non issue. I honestly think he's enunciating a risk factor. We're ahead of it. We're gonna debate it as a society. And so when we go on the roadshow to New York and and everywhere else, no one cares. It's not even cynical. I think it's your job as CEO. That that was less less discussed. [00:08:26] S1: I'm sorry. You can't say... I mean, words have meaning. If you... And, again, I'm gonna be fair to doubt. He didn't say 10% chance of blowing up the world. [00:08:33] S2: He responded to it.
00:08:33 · Jason Lemkin, Rory O'Driscoll
[00:08:33] S2: He responded to it. [00:08:35] S1: Yes. You're right. He responded to it. I feel like if government was doing its job, we'd convene a congressional committee, we'd subpoena Dario and say, your head of safety, not the guy who quit, Jason. This is an important point. Not the guy who quit, but your head of safety said, me and many of my people, there's a 10% think there's a 10% chance of blowing up the world. Get a fucking congressional committee, subpoena the guy, and say, mister Dario, as the head of this organization, do you believe that your safety commissioner is correct, and there's a 10% chance that you're gonna blow up the world in the next five years? Yes or no?
00:09:06 · Jason Lemkin
[00:09:06] S2: Right. But it's going to happen. This just started. You're you're acting like the feds aren't gonna rate anthropic. I don't think it's literally gonna happen. The feds are going to rate anthropic conceptually speaking. This just happened last... How many texts did you guys get from folks outside of tech asking if AI is gonna kill ourselves in the last week? I got texts from people, relatives I haven't heard from in years. Is AI going to kill us, Jason? There will be congressional committee and hearing after ad nauseam for the next twenty four months. We have just awoken the sleeping giant here that AI isn't about a bunch of folks in SF becoming, you know, sent to millionaires. The public is going to believe it's going to kill us. And I think that's why Trump I don't want go too much I think that's why Trump cut it off so quickly. I actually think he said it's not issue. We're going full bore. I don't think that was out of nowhere. I think this is because there's gonna be two years of... Every... This is all they're gonna talk about.
00:09:57 · Rory O'Driscoll
[00:09:57] S1: To to be clear, I think you are right. Is that... So maybe I should have said the future tense. We've kicked off a bolder cascade here now whereby... You're right. If I'm a... If I'm an ambitious politician, I would do this. Right? And maybe you are right. There's two risk factors in the s one. What you're saying is it's a really good point. The first risk factor is, by the way, there's a 10% chance we're gonna blow up the world. We can discuss that one. That's a fun one. But the other risk factor is because I employ people who believe we have a 10% chance of blowing up the world, and I do this because they're actually very motivated to build great AI and for whatever reason that motivates them, we can talk about that with our therapists. Because I'm running this company where these people say these crazy shit, as Jason's just pointed out, I'm probably gonna spend the next two years being investigated, and there's a series of bad things could happen for that up until including the government shutting me down. You're right, Jason. That's the risk factor. I agree with you. Yes. It's gonna be the weirdest risk factor ever. We say dumb shit, so we may get shut down.
00:10:50 · Jason Lemkin, Rory O'Driscoll, Harry Stebbings
[00:10:50] S2: There's so much going on here. It's it's it's hard to track. Right? I would just add two things I thought were the best things said. One, maybe a little political. One, I think, nonpolitical. I think the best thing actually was David Sacks this week who said, If it's that bad Dario, it's your f ing job. Whether it's 10% or if there's any material risk, your company is going to exterminate even a subset of humanity. That is your job. Your job is to fix it, down the company if you can't, right? And if you're unable to see a... Bring in a new CEO. This is your... If there's any company that had these sort of odds, it is it is your job. Right? This is product liability one zero zero zero zero one. You can't kill so... You know, there's only so many people you're allowed to kill with your product. [00:11:29] S1: And, Jason, it is... First of you're exactly... I gotta hand it to death. I think it was spot on a 100%. And I think it was really odd to see Lina Khan, who is probably the antitrust regulator most of the Silicon Valley hates the most, come out on exactly the same point. When you get David Saxe and Lena Khan, both on the same side and both making excellent points, it's a really fun issue. I I I agree with you. [00:11:50] S0: I... I'm sorry. I'm naive. If you build recursive self improvement in the way that people talk about it, is what it becomes not relatively unknown. Like, I could have good intentions for it, but it could become something else or used by malicious actors could be weaponized to be something else.