00:28:35 · Maya, Priya
[00:28:35] S0: I feel like... Okay. Maybe I'm just, like, lying to myself and we should, like, go through the recording. I feel like I've always thought that, like, our jobs are not gonna get replaced. [00:28:42] S1: But I think it's, like, job replacement is... Like, okay. In the last few months, coding models have gotten really good. Yeah. But I feel like a year ago, we had no idea, and it could have totally been possible to, like, replace a lot of the work that software engineers were doing. And so I think Sam Altman and Dario Amodei, like, walking back their statements is one, like, not crazy. And it's like, sure. Maybe there's, like, some implication of, like, the IPO and, like, that's an incentive for them to say something. But I think even the way that Sam Altman said it, like, he was like, I think we are roughly right on, like, the prediction of what would happen, but we were wrong on, like, what would happen to the social and economic outcome of it. That was, like, what he said. [00:29:19] S0: Well, we've always said that, like, just because you replace language doesn't mean you replace jobs getting done. Like, coordination is the issue. We've always said this. Yeah. Like, coordination between humans and human teams is always going to be the issue. There's a lot of things that humans still need to do. Like, if if you think about, like, the easiest things to automate should be, like, your everyday, like, menial tasks that you still have to do. Do you think robotics will be
00:29:19 · Maya, Priya, Anika
[00:29:19] S0: Well, we've always said that, like, just because you replace language doesn't mean you replace jobs getting done. Like, coordination is the issue. We've always said this. Yeah. Like, coordination between humans and human teams is always going to be the issue. There's a lot of things that humans still need to do. Like, if if you think about, like, the easiest things to automate should be, like, your everyday, like, menial tasks that you still have to do. Do you think robotics will be [00:29:43] S1: the unlock? Like, if you think about, like, autonomous vehicles for, like, Uber drivers, or you think about, like, the McDonald's that's fully automated now or the Sweetgreen that's, like, fully automated now, like, are those not affecting, like, normal people? Yeah. They are. So this is this is [00:29:58] S0: actually something that we should get into, which is, like, there are historical parallels of categories of jobs that have been replaced. But people have found other, like, professions as a result and it's fine. [00:30:08] S2: Yeah. I agree with that. Yeah. I agree with that. I I think knowledge work will still probably get disrupted, especially at, earlier junior levels. [00:30:17] S0: Yeah. I mean, I think there are a lot of junior software engineers that are... That were, like, sort of mediocre at their job coming out of colleges. And I think people are not hiring those types of engineers anymore. [00:30:29] S2: And that makes sense. Mediocre is, like, 50% of people. Right?
00:30:29 · Anika, Priya, Maya
[00:30:29] S2: And that makes sense. Mediocre is, like, 50% of people. Right? [00:30:32] S1: Like, I think the people that could get jobs at Microsoft and Google and, like, big tech that could get those jobs out of college just, like, can't anymore. [00:30:40] S0: No. I actually think those are, like, a higher tier. I'm talking about, [00:30:42] S2: like... Those are really high tier. [00:30:44] S0: Yeah. Yeah. I'm talking about, like, your random no name website creator. Like, those are the types of jobs that are not gonna be had anymore. [00:30:51] S1: Yeah. David Solomon, who's the CEO of Goldman Sachs, had a New York Times op ed that I thought was pretty interesting. And what... Like, he had three big points, but the first one that I thought was the most interesting was he just said that AI won't eliminate 25% jobs, but 25% of work hours will be automated. And just like, you'll use that time to do other stuff. And I feel like that is what I have seen in the workplace the most. Like, I think everyone... At least in, like, our circles, like, think everyone is working more than they were Oh my I'm working way more than... Because I think, like, employers expect your output to be... No. I agree. Like, I think employers expect your output to be, like, way higher. They expect you to be way more efficient. They expect you to get way more done and, like, ship way more. [00:31:32] S2: I don't think it's because of AI that everyone's working more. Wait. Really? [00:31:38] S1: Wait. I I think it for sure is.
00:31:38 · Priya, Anika
[00:31:38] S1: Wait. I I think it for sure is. [00:31:40] S2: No. I think it's just economic cycles. Like, I think tech was just in a really cushy economic cycle and, like, now is in more of an ROI based moment. [00:31:51] S1: But I think there's It's like way more startups coming up right now. And I also think that, like, the early stage startups, a lot of bigger companies are worried about all of those startups and how fast everyone's moving. Because when you're starting from nothing, you can ship pretty quickly because you have, like, nothing to go... Yeah. You have nothing to maintain, nothing to go off of. But also, like, we've seen that bite people in the ass by also not having any security in place or having, like, any of the things that make a truly scalable business in place. But I think that those companies are pushing bigger companies to have to, like, ship faster. But that also means, like, not keeping your quality bar as high Yeah. As a result. [00:32:30] S2: There have been people working these hours in other industries for like decades. And it's not because of AI. It's just because like there's pressure to be the best and it's a product of competition. AI is like for sure a factor in the sense that a lot of the competition is because of AI. It's like [00:32:46] S1: the catalyst but not the reason.
00:32:46 · Priya, Anika, Maya
[00:32:46] S1: the catalyst but not the reason. [00:32:47] S2: Yeah. Yeah. I think you end up in a feedback loop where it's, like, more cultural where certain startup founders... Like, don't know. Do you guys see the clip that just went viral of the Corgi founder? No. No. Wait. Really? It's so viral. It has millions of views because he's like, if you want Saturdays and Sundays off, like, don't work here. And then Harry Stebbings [00:33:06] S0: saying that forever. [00:33:07] S2: No. But this clip was like kinda shocking because then Harry Stebbings was like, would you rather die at 50 and Corgi is trillion a dollar company or live till 80? And he's like, you already know the answer. And it's like, there's a really dramatic clip. And then the linear CEO was like, you're a fucking clown. [00:33:24] S1: And then and then, no, [00:33:25] S2: it was Nico. And then the Corgi co founder responded and was like, do you think the people that were building the Manhattan project were working one day a week? And then the Linear CEO responded and was like, wait. Sorry. So then Nico goes to the Linear c... I'm pretty sure it's the Linear CEO. He's like, I'm I'm glad you built a billion dollar company over seven years, but like something something... And he framed it like the billion dollar over seven years was like a compliment, it like clearly wasn't. And then the... And then he was like, do you think that... Nico was like, do think the people building the Manhattan Project were working one day And then the Linear CEO responded and was like, did you just compare startup insurance to
00:33:25 · Anika, Priya
[00:33:25] S2: it was Nico. And then the Corgi co founder responded and was like, do you think the people that were building the Manhattan project were working one day a week? And then the Linear CEO responded and was like, wait. Sorry. So then Nico goes to the Linear c... I'm pretty sure it's the Linear CEO. He's like, I'm I'm glad you built a billion dollar company over seven years, but like something something... And he framed it like the billion dollar over seven years was like a compliment, it like clearly wasn't. And then the... And then he was like, do you think that... Nico was like, do think the people building the Manhattan Project were working one day And then the Linear CEO responded and was like, did you just compare startup insurance to [00:34:02] S1: the Manhattan Project? That's funny. [00:34:06] S2: And I was like, I'm actually gonna start crying. That's so funny. But I guess what I'm trying to say is like that clip got millions and millions of views. And I think it's just an example of how Silicon Valley now has a cultural obsession with working hard. [00:34:19] S1: Yeah. They