00:24:52 · Maya, Priya, Anika
[00:24:52] S0: You know, like, I I guess I just, like, don't care about my privacy. Is that bad? [00:24:56] S1: I mean, I don't care about my home, honestly. Like, what are you gonna Yeah. What are you gonna get? [00:25:00] S2: Well, yeah. I actually think from a privacy perspective, like, the stuff on my computer would give you more information about me than going around my home. Yeah. What's going around in my home gonna show you? Yeah. So you don't return the packages. That I'm broke and we might not be able to move out. [00:25:16] S1: Like... Oh, yeah. Where are you guys at with that right now? Nowhere good. Nowhere, honestly. Are you just getting a little sneak peek into our lives? You can skip ahead to us talking about the AI labor market now. [00:25:27] S0: Okay. Who wants to start this one off? Anyone in tears? I was [00:25:31] S1: like... Mhmm. [00:25:31] S2: Everyone's been talking about the AI labor market for the millionth time, I think. I was literally like, should we cover this again? And then I was like, I think we have to. Yeah. Everyone's talking about it. But the reason why... [00:25:41] S1: That's really what Olin said when they introed it too. Olin was like, yep. We're covering this again. No. [00:25:47] S0: I was like I was like disappointed in us, but it's okay. [00:25:50] S2: No. There's nobody No. Wasn't anything about it. [00:25:53] S0: No. Know. Know. Because I did my own research to be like, oh, is there anything I could suggest instead of this? And I, like, literally couldn't.
00:25:53 · Maya, Anika
[00:25:53] S0: No. Know. Know. Because I did my own research to be like, oh, is there anything I could suggest instead of this? And I, like, literally couldn't. [00:25:59] S2: Yeah. No. Yeah. Don't worry. Yeah. I went through the same thing. The reason why I think everyone's like, fine. We'll talk about it again is because the founders of Anthropic and OpenAI, Dario and Sam, have gone back on their thesis around AI job displacement a little bit. Obviously... Yeah. Everyone's obviously saying it's because they're IPO ing. Yeah. But this pisses me off. Wait. Actually... Okay. Wait. Brad asked. Wait. Like... Okay. So in the beginning, they said that it's like gonna... So I guess Dario had the most extreme view and he said it was gonna displace 50% of entry level white collar jobs within five years. Which by the way, [00:26:34] S0: he tanked the market when he said this. [00:26:36] S2: Yeah. But why? Can I ask a dumb question? Yeah. Why is IPO ing mean that they have to walk back that narrative? Because didn't... So like everyone said they were saying it because it would help them raise at a higher valuation and like Which they did. Investors get really excited because god,
00:26:36 · Anika, Maya, Priya
[00:26:36] S2: Yeah. But why? Can I ask a dumb question? Yeah. Why is IPO ing mean that they have to walk back that narrative? Because didn't... So like everyone said they were saying it because it would help them raise at a higher valuation and like Which they did. Investors get really excited because god, [00:26:52] S0: this company is gonna displace everyone. It's basically like this scare tactic. Right? Like, this is a a private monkey. Like they were like a private company and they were trying to scare everyone. And in order to scare everyone, it's like if you didn't get participate in the round, you lost out. Now they're a public company or they're trying to be a public company. And so they want everyone to, there's no scaring people into participating because it is a public company. Right? And so now you need to be in people's good graces. And so you need to be like, I'm not gonna replace your job because your average Joe Schmo in North Carolina is now going to buy your stock and you wanna be friends with him. [00:27:25] S1: But but do you not think that in the last year, there's been, like, so... There's been so many advancements where, like, we're actually figuring things out? Like, I feel like we actually, two years ago, had no idea what AI was gonna be. [00:27:38] S0: I feel like two years ago, I knew... I think AI 2027, like, definitely scared us all. Right? And I had a crash out, like a Oh [00:27:44] S1: my god. Major. [00:27:46] S2: Crash out. If you're about to say you knew that this wasn't gonna replace you,
00:27:46 · Anika, Priya, Maya
[00:27:46] S2: Crash out. If you're about to say you knew that this wasn't gonna replace you, [00:27:49] S1: that is the biggest gap of all time. [00:27:51] S0: No. No. No. I had a major crash out. That's another thing. Was like... But then after that, when we started getting really, really good coding models, there was moments where you're like, oh, is software engineering gonna get replaced? No, it's not. No, it's not. Yes, is. No, it's not. Whatever, right? And I'm telling you, I'm a software engineer and I still need to write code to this day. And I still like, maybe I'm fucking dumb and I don't know how to use Claude Code. Right? But I'm sorry. It still takes me time to ship a fucking feature. And like, I feel like the [00:28:18] S2: three of us can't even agree on... I feel like the three of us haven't even agreed on it this whole time. [00:28:22] S0: Wait. What? I feel like we have. Have we not? [00:28:24] S2: No. I don't think so. I don't think No. I don't think so. Like, I feel like there are times where I was like, you can't automate this. And then someone was like, yes, you can. We've definitely had those conversations. We've had this, like, back and forth. [00:28:35] S0: I feel like... Okay. Maybe I'm just, like, lying to myself and we should, like, go through the recording. I feel like I've always thought that, like, our jobs are not gonna get replaced.
00:28:35 · Maya, Priya
[00:28:35] S0: I feel like... Okay. Maybe I'm just, like, lying to myself and we should, like, go through the recording. I feel like I've always thought that, like, our jobs are not gonna get replaced. [00:28:42] S1: But I think it's, like, job replacement is... Like, okay. In the last few months, coding models have gotten really good. Yeah. But I feel like a year ago, we had no idea, and it could have totally been possible to, like, replace a lot of the work that software engineers were doing. And so I think Sam Altman and Dario Amodei, like, walking back their statements is one, like, not crazy. And it's like, sure. Maybe there's, like, some implication of, like, the IPO and, like, that's an incentive for them to say something. But I think even the way that Sam Altman said it, like, he was like, I think we are roughly right on, like, the prediction of what would happen, but we were wrong on, like, what would happen to the social and economic outcome of it. That was, like, what he said. [00:29:19] S0: Well, we've always said that, like, just because you replace language doesn't mean you replace jobs getting done. Like, coordination is the issue. We've always said this. Yeah. Like, coordination between humans and human teams is always going to be the issue. There's a lot of things that humans still need to do. Like, if if you think about, like, the easiest things to automate should be, like, your everyday, like, menial tasks that you still have to do. Do you think robotics will be
00:29:19 · Maya, Priya, Anika
[00:29:19] S0: Well, we've always said that, like, just because you replace language doesn't mean you replace jobs getting done. Like, coordination is the issue. We've always said this. Yeah. Like, coordination between humans and human teams is always going to be the issue. There's a lot of things that humans still need to do. Like, if if you think about, like, the easiest things to automate should be, like, your everyday, like, menial tasks that you still have to do. Do you think robotics will be [00:29:43] S1: the unlock? Like, if you think about, like, autonomous vehicles for, like, Uber drivers, or you think about, like, the McDonald's that's fully automated now or the Sweetgreen that's, like, fully automated now, like, are those not affecting, like, normal people? Yeah. They are. So this is this is [00:29:58] S0: actually something that we should get into, which is, like, there are historical parallels of categories of jobs that have been replaced. But people have found other, like, professions as a result and it's fine. [00:30:08] S2: Yeah. I agree with that. Yeah. I agree with that. I I think knowledge work will still probably get disrupted, especially at, earlier junior levels. [00:30:17] S0: Yeah. I mean, I think there are a lot of junior software engineers that are... That were, like, sort of mediocre at their job coming out of colleges. And I think people are not hiring those types of engineers anymore. [00:30:29] S2: And that makes sense. Mediocre is, like, 50% of people. Right?