How I Invest with David Weisburd
00:16:39 · David Weisburd, Gavin Ezekowitz
[00:16:39] S1: You're making a macro bet. I think you're making more of [00:16:41] S0: a macro bet. Now, I think if you've got that individual, those special individuals, and you talked about talent, I agree with you. They can attract talent. They can attract capital. That does have a flywheel effect, particularly at the scale of capital that we require in in the AI space. Very important. But you better make sure that those folks are able to shore up the rest of their business. And I would say that as an investor, I tend to be very focused on integrity, whether it's a venture manager or a founder. Maybe I'm a little quaint, but I, like, I very much value honesty, integrity, transparency, and sometimes those folks who are exceptional are not exceptional in that regard.
00:17:32 · David Weisburd, Gavin Ezekowitz
[00:17:32] S1: Yeah. I don't think you're quaint at all. And just take away the moral lens on integrity. I just think it's an efficient market. And when you're a top space engineer and you have the choice between working... Continuing to work at... For Elon Musk, So, obviously, this great high integrity founder literally sleeps on his sleeps on his factory floor or Brian Argus, former SpaceX guy, just like highest integrity guy or somebody else. They're gonna go... All things being equal, which they're not always equal, they're gonna go with the high integrity. I think there's an efficient market. They hit up three of their friends that work there, and they're gonna get the truth. Even though some investors may not get the truth, the employees, the source of truth, the ones that are actually building the foundational value in these companies, get to the right answer very quickly, and it's an extremely efficient market. [00:18:18] S0: I think that's actually a fantastic point, David. And and I think you make it really, really well. The market for talent at this... At the sort of at the at the tier of talent we're talking about, these are these are always the top folks, whether it's There's stakes hundreds of them. [00:18:33] S1: There's hundreds or maybe low thousands.
00:18:35 · Gavin Ezekowitz
[00:18:35] S0: There are very few of these people. Those folks know what's happening in those companies. They really know. And and I think that there is no question that if the company in their view is not seen as... Is presenting perhaps an incorrect or overly audacious or or potentially untrue reflection of its capabilities and timelines and so forth. I think that they will look at both their own moral compass, their own economic reality, and ask the question, do I really wanna be here through the part where reality meets? Having said that, when you speak to people from SpaceX, they will tell you that Elon Musk went around for many years saying, We're going to Mars. People would repeat that over and over again. And there were plenty of times where the things that they were hearing, you know, in in the public market didn't confirm confirm to what... Where they were at. But the difference there was I think that they genuinely believed they were gonna get there. Like, they they genuinely believe they had the skill set. They saw the talent around them, they said, well, look. Even if we're not gonna get there in three months, like I hear him saying, we're gonna get there. We like, you know, or I will die trying kind of thing. And I think that that that's a difference maker in that kind of company. And it is one of the things that you do hear most often from those employees about kind of why they loved it. Personal responsibility, absolute commitment to a goal, and some of that other stuff that was, you know, a little bit optimistic was sort of forgiven.
00:20:28 · David Weisburd
[00:20:28] S1: I've talked to some of these lifers at SpaceX, and the thing that you hear over and over again is essentially, they can't find a bigger mission. They can't outframe the mission of making human beings multi planetary. So Mhmm. They're inevitably, on some level, they're stuck in this mission. They're mission maxed, and now they can't find the the next great... Bigger mission.
00:20:47 · Gavin Ezekowitz
[00:20:47] S0: I was sitting with a couple of folks who've started a business former... Both formerly worked at SpaceX. I think the the thing that's really interesting is that they would observe that coming out of that experience, there's actually lots of stuff to now do that builds on the platform that that company built. I always ask the question of like, what are you doing in your business today that takes away directly from SpaceX? And what are you doing that is absolutely not, you know, what you saw at SpaceX and you would do completely differently? And I and I think that fundamentally that you've got it exactly right. I think you've got to be mission driven. And in large part, when we were in the innovation world that we're in, there there is almost an irrational alignment to your and commitment to we will make something happen here. Like, we will crack the code, figure it out, build it out, get the customer. We will do what it takes. And I think that that is... That's something all of them take away. I think interestingly, from a people management perspective, one of the observations they they often make is... It was... The quote was, I think Elon cares a lot about humanity. I'm not so sure he cares that much about humans. I wasn't there when Elon may have said anything of that kind, so I don't know that to be true. But let's take it at face value. The one thing that they mention is that people could get marched out the door at any time. But they quickly follow that up with, But it was never confusing to us. It always seemed like that was the right thing. Was very rare that the wrong It
00:22:47 · David Weisburd, Gavin Ezekowitz
[00:22:47] S1: was ego driven. Was the right decision. [00:22:49] S0: It was the right decision. And and I think it's such a a powerful such a powerful business and so so difficult, but such a a powerful business mindset to say, our mission really matters. And if these people or this person isn't of the level, isn't of the capability, it's better for both of us that you're gone today, and we'll both move on with our lives. We'll both be fine. But we need a certain thing. And if you don't have it, I'm gonna go get it elsewhere. And everybody understands that those are the the rules of the game.