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00:42:24 · Ari Paparo, Patrick Dolan
[00:42:24] S2: So the 98% number you said was from the Winterberry Report that that was that retailers or brands interested in... Brands interested in being part of a retail out of home experience. [00:42:37] S3: Right. We wanna understand the buyer, obviously. I mean, that... That's very important to listen to the way that they wanna buy, what their goals are. That's really gonna inform, you know, how we could make this a better experience, make it more simple. [00:42:53] S2: And putting on my, like, my measurement hat, there's a pretty big advantage to having retail in a store out of home because you can test that. You could just have certain stores have it on and certain stores have it off, and then you see how many how many bottles of Pepsi you're selling that week. Right? So you could actually do some real tests. So last subject, you you mentioned earlier, no AI. Is it really no AI? Like, how are you excluding AI? AI is everywhere.
00:42:53 · Ari Paparo, Patrick Dolan
[00:42:53] S2: And putting on my, like, my measurement hat, there's a pretty big advantage to having retail in a store out of home because you can test that. You could just have certain stores have it on and certain stores have it off, and then you see how many how many bottles of Pepsi you're selling that week. Right? So you could actually do some real tests. So last subject, you you mentioned earlier, no AI. Is it really no AI? Like, how are you excluding AI? AI is everywhere. [00:43:19] S3: Well, I... No. AI is everywhere. And I and I think I qualified it as being content versus, like, the actual processes and systems for executing. It's all over. I mean, it's a huge topic. We spent a lot of time at our conference last week in Dallas where we were talking about it. And as you would expect, you've got seller agents, buyer agents. You have planning tools that are evolving. What's the kind of data that needs to be in those LLMs in order to make sure that we're not being left out in the buy. There's a lot of really interesting things happening. And also just in how we create more efficient workflows within, you know, the the buying and executing on a campaign with Out-of-Home. You can imagine cons... You know, if you wanna do a national campaign, you know, you're you're looking at a lot of spots, across the country.
00:43:19 · Patrick Dolan, Ari Paparo
[00:43:19] S3: Well, I... No. AI is everywhere. And I and I think I qualified it as being content versus, like, the actual processes and systems for executing. It's all over. I mean, it's a huge topic. We spent a lot of time at our conference last week in Dallas where we were talking about it. And as you would expect, you've got seller agents, buyer agents. You have planning tools that are evolving. What's the kind of data that needs to be in those LLMs in order to make sure that we're not being left out in the buy. There's a lot of really interesting things happening. And also just in how we create more efficient workflows within, you know, the the buying and executing on a campaign with Out-of-Home. You can imagine cons... You know, if you wanna do a national campaign, you know, you're you're looking at a lot of spots, across the country. [00:44:22] S2: And and figuring out whether their impact with, say, a conversion feed, that's a pretty hard, problem. You have location. You have time of day. You have all these other variables, confounding variables to figure out. You know, you were were you the cofounder of the IAB originally? [00:44:40] S3: I was not the cofounder of the IAB. I I came in after, I think, ten years of existence. I did cofound the Mobile Center of Excellence, the Data Center of Excellence, the Video Center of Excellence, the Tech Lab. [00:44:52] S2: Okay. So This [00:44:53] S3: is basically [00:44:53] S2: But you were the you were the president of the IAB at one point. [00:44:56] S3: I was. Correct.
00:44:56 · Patrick Dolan, Ari Paparo
[00:44:56] S3: I was. Correct. [00:44:57] S2: So so it feels a little bit like it's a... Like AI is changing everything in the same way, you know, digital started changing everything. It's, like, hard to get your arms around it. Are you seeing similarities? Is this is this just a phase, or is everything gonna change forever? [00:45:14] S3: Well, I would say everything's gonna change forever. It it reminds me very much of the early programmatic days. I remember going into, you know, a room and talking. It's like, oh, we're talk about data. Everybody was, like, nodding their heads, and, you know, nobody really understood what was going on. And you can see, you know, where that ended up. I think that with the I think it's early days. This is what Tony Katzer and I did a panel at this conference last week. And my goal was to make sure that it was where people could understand what's going on and what's coming. He did stress at his early days. But there is movement in both the buying and selling and the workflows within media. And what's really interesting is that you know, it doesn't have to be programmed you know, like digital either. You know, this workflow automation improvements in the actual static boards as well, because most of the billboards and signs out there are actually static. It's a good... It's a really good problem to have in the sense that this is gonna make a somewhat cumbersome... I don't know. I'm just saying that from a point of view from where programmatic is now, but, you know, a little bit more complicated, buy. It's gonna help things a lot, I think.
00:45:14 · Patrick Dolan, Ari Paparo
[00:45:14] S3: Well, I would say everything's gonna change forever. It it reminds me very much of the early programmatic days. I remember going into, you know, a room and talking. It's like, oh, we're talk about data. Everybody was, like, nodding their heads, and, you know, nobody really understood what was going on. And you can see, you know, where that ended up. I think that with the I think it's early days. This is what Tony Katzer and I did a panel at this conference last week. And my goal was to make sure that it was where people could understand what's going on and what's coming. He did stress at his early days. But there is movement in both the buying and selling and the workflows within media. And what's really interesting is that you know, it doesn't have to be programmed you know, like digital either. You know, this workflow automation improvements in the actual static boards as well, because most of the billboards and signs out there are actually static. It's a good... It's a really good problem to have in the sense that this is gonna make a somewhat cumbersome... I don't know. I'm just saying that from a point of view from where programmatic is now, but, you know, a little bit more complicated, buy. It's gonna help things a lot, I think. [00:46:37] S2: Yeah. You would expect it to change a lot of things, and certainly Tony over at the IB has his hands full. Well, thank you so much for joining us, Patrick. It's interesting to hear about the out of home world and how it's changing and then your your acronym problems. Yeah. You know, I think we all
00:46:37 · Ari Paparo, Patrick Dolan
[00:46:37] S2: Yeah. You would expect it to change a lot of things, and certainly Tony over at the IB has his hands full. Well, thank you so much for joining us, Patrick. It's interesting to hear about the out of home world and how it's changing and then your your acronym problems. Yeah. You know, I think we all [00:46:52] S3: know with that. Of out of home. [00:46:55] S2: Out of home certainly works is and it has a lot of challenges operationalizing. So it's definitely an area to watch. So thanks again, Patrick. [00:47:04] S3: Yeah. Thank you, Ari. It's great to to be here. [00:47:07] S2: Thank you for subscribing to Marketecture. New interviews are added every week at marketecture.tv in your favorite podcasting app.