No Priors: Artificial Intelligence | Technology | Startups
00:36:55 · Sarah Guo, Maxim Bar Kogan
[00:36:55] S1: Just to close and also thinking about what people in Silicon Valley or outside of security may not know, you're building this from Tel Aviv. Right? I think one of the deepest adversarial thinking benches in the world is the Israeli ecosystem, eight thousand two hundred, Wizz, Armas, Island, NSO Group. Right? What do you think that the researchers, engineers, business people in, the tech ecosystem outside of security and then in the labs in particular are missing about what needs to happen in security and alignment, [00:37:33] S0: which [00:37:33] S1: is what you're talking about here.
00:37:35 · Maxim Bar Kogan
[00:37:35] S0: What is really important when you're building security products in general, and I think what people in Israel have really good know how in, is just understand how security teams work. Because at the end of the day, no matter what is the technical problem you're solving, you're building a tool for people, for an organization. That organization has a certain structure. There are certain teams, there are certain flow of responsibilities of information. And creating a product for this audience that doesn't just solve the technical problem, but they actually love is really hard. You need to really care about just the day to day of these different functions, and you need to have people in your ecosystems that have built products for them in the past that know them like they know their best friend. Like, they know what they do when they step into the office in the morning, they drink their coffee, what are the systems they're opening, what is their boss wanting from them, what are their colleagues wanting from them, what are they gonna get praised for, what are gonna get mad for. Then you need to take that and make it as your product. And I think that's, I think today, one of the kind of really hard things that people in Israel learn to do because they've had so much contact with these buyers and end users. And yeah, I would just encourage people to be much more curious about the day to day of security people. It's a cliche to say it, but these people are actually saving us daily from attackers stealing our money, taking our data, and they're kind of keeping a way of life as it is in this digital world. So, yeah, I think more love to security teams around the world.
00:39:13 · Sarah Guo, Maxim Bar Kogan
[00:39:13] S1: I'm going to ask you to just square that with something else you've told me, Maxim, which is you're the most AGI pilled person I'm going to meet in Israel. Embedded in what you said is a belief that we will continue to have defensive security teams for some number of years. So, you do believe that? [00:39:31] S0: I do think that security teams are also going to become completely high powered. But I do think that they're going to be run by AI agents, like everything else in the knowledge workspace in the near future. But I do think that it's important to be grounded. And today, when I sell a product, I sell it to a human audience with a few agents. And by the way, we also invest in making our systems very convenient for agents to use. And it's important that I focus on delivering an amazing experience today for people who buy the product today. And as that audience becomes more agents than humans, it will be important for us to evolve and to make it work really well for agents doing the work. So, I think the core principle is the same. We need to really be reminded of who is the end user, what is their experience. For human, it might be not overwhelming them with too much information that is irrelevant. For an agent, it might be not wasting too many tokens in their context when we talk to them. Maybe it's the same thing, really. So, I think it's important that we always manage who's using the system and what will be the best experience for them. [00:40:45] S1: Awesome. Thanks so much for doing this, Maxim.
00:40:45 · Sarah Guo, Maxim Bar Kogan
[00:40:45] S1: Awesome. Thanks so much for doing this, Maxim. [00:40:47] S0: Appreciate it. Thank you very much, Adam. [00:40:52] S1: Find us on Twitter nopriorspod. Subscribe to our YouTube channel if you want to see our faces. Follow the show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen. That way you get a new episode every week. And sign up for emails or find transcripts for every episode at nopriors.com.