00:39:04 路 Farza Majeed, Jordi Hays, John Coogan, Vinod Khosla
[00:39:04] S6: so, to them it's magical where it's like, oh, I'm just talking to my computer and it's doing the thing. That's that's awesome. That's they want. [00:39:10] S0: How do you how do you think about the tension between, I think, you being a generational media talent Mhmm. And then, like, startups? Because I actually feel like this is our first time meeting, but I've seen your videos over many years at this point and like, you're just really really really really good at it. So much so that as like somebody who's in media, I'm like, well, I kinda want you to just do that. Podcaster. Normally normally it's the exact opposite where it's like, hey, like, you shouldn't do this podcast. You should just work on your company, you know, or whatever whatever the thing is. Yeah. And and they obviously feed into each other really well. Mhmm. Like you have Yeah. An edge. You can get attention for free, you know, just investing a few hours, making a video, whatever. It's very, very powerful skill set. But how do you think about that tension? [00:40:03] S6: You know, it's funny like I've been making videos for like fifteen plus years and I Overnight success. [00:40:09] S1: Second time. Yeah. [00:40:11] S9: I always just
00:40:11 路 Vinod Khosla, Farza Majeed, Jordi Hays, John Coogan
[00:40:11] S9: I always just [00:40:12] S6: see this as a as like a I think I get to do for fun on the side while I get to do the main thing which is like actually build stuff for people. At the end of the day, like, I am painfully familiar with how bad of a business like making videos is, and making movies is, and making music is. Like, I know how bad of a business is like firsthand. And so I know, but I know more than anybody the power of getting in front of a billion people every single month. Mhmm. When there's a good engine underneath, a good business engine engine underneath it, that you that that's that's powering something else. And so, I fully intend to do that. So if I have this media ability, I'm glad I got it. I think Yeah. [00:40:48] S0: But it's like a [00:40:48] S1: way to do [00:40:50] S0: it's like sales. [00:40:51] S1: Yeah. Sales. [00:40:52] S0: It's like Really sales. Sales.
00:40:52 路 Jordi Hays, John Coogan, Farza Majeed
[00:40:52] S0: It's like Really sales. Sales. [00:40:53] S1: You gotta be good at sales. WWC, some movement on interoperability in iOS still feels like the clicky iOS app is probably on the longer term and will be stuck in the walled garden for a while. But what I'm interested in is that do you see just a really, really solid market? Because there's no DaVinci Resolve iOS app that I'm aware of and certainly people don't there are there are like prosumer sort of professional tools that really only exist on a desktop or a laptop. And so are you interested in like going and hacking on crazy workarounds to build something that like maybe makes people a little upset in Cupertino but gets you into that more casual mobile space? Or do you think that you just want to focus on desktop, prosumer, you know, desktop apps? [00:41:52] S6: No. I want it all. Want when you talk to your computer, whether this is your computer Yeah. Or your computer is this computer. [00:41:59] S1: Let's go.
00:41:59 路 John Coogan, Farza Majeed, Trent Simonian
[00:41:59] S1: Let's go. [00:42:00] S6: I wanna be an interaction layer on top of it. Yeah. That being said though, I have no I have no interest in necessarily being like OS level controller. For example, like, kinda like what Apple is doing right now. There's no real interest. For us, most of our customers and most of our users are essentially connecting, like, 15 integrations to Clicky from g Suite to Notrek and to Dropbox Sure. And doing work with it. So I'm a lot more interested in, that reality where talk to what if I didn't talk to my phone in the morning and just say, hey, like, look through all my emails and send me send me a brief, you know, when you're done. Yeah. And just I can just talk to my phone and do that. I'm not sure that stuff, which is stuff I don't think Apple is gonna do personally. They're not gonna make, connect your connect these fifteen fifteen places to my Apple account and do work with it. I just don't [00:42:43] S12: think they're gonna do
00:42:43 路 Trent Simonian, John Coogan, Farza Majeed
[00:42:43] S12: think they're gonna do [00:42:44] S1: How do you think the health of like open ecosystems in desktop software is broadly? Because there's two ways that you could like update an Excel file or there's actually probably a bunch. But you can you can, you know, puppeteer the mouse, move over, click, type the cell, save, you know, or you can just go edit the underlying CSV file in like raw text and then just refresh the front end. And I imagine one's way cheaper for you so you want to like lean into getting the MCP servers, the APIs, the file writing like the CLI interaction down. But do you think that there will be companies that lean into that or companies that fight that because they want you to stay, you know, mouse and keyboard at all times? [00:43:32] S6: That's a good question. I don't think so because at the at the end of the day, what Clicky is doing in the background, just so you guys know how it works, we literally took the Rust binary that's in Codex and we package it with our with our app. [00:43:43] S1: Okay. [00:43:44] S6: So that when you actually call a click with the agent, you're just calling a sub spawn of codex. Yeah. And so this is on purpose. Like, I just wanna use the best the best model and the best kind of thing possible. Yeah. And so no. I don't think that's gonna end up happening. In fact, it's better. For example, if you ask me clicky right now [00:44:01] S1: Yeah. [00:44:01] S6: Hey hey, like, how do I actually, like, add a formula to this Google Sheet here? [00:44:05] S1: Sure.
00:44:05 路 John Coogan, Farza Majeed, Jordi Hays, Trent Simonian
[00:44:05] S1: Sure. [00:44:06] S6: There's two answers there. One answer is let me show you. The second answer is I can show you, but do want me to do that for you? [00:44:10] S1: Sure. [00:44:11] S6: And I think that's where we're gonna start going with computers. Yeah. Where you're just gonna start your computer is just gonna say, can I just do this for you? Like, I see you doing it. Like, I can just do this. So that's what we're kinda gonna look. [00:44:20] S1: Well, good luck with the fundraise. I'm sure you'll be back on the show soon. Let us know when it closes. [00:44:26] S0: Yeah. It's exciting for this. Yeah. I love watching you you win and and have fun in the process. [00:44:31] S1: Yeah. It's great time. Meet you. Congratulations. We'll talk to you soon. Have a Thanks. One. [00:44:36] S0: Later. [00:44:36] S1: Let me tell you about MongoDB. What's the only thing faster than the AI market? Your business on MongoDB. Don't just build AI. Own the data platform. That powers it. And up next, we have Trent from SideTalk. He's a creator and cofounder of SideTalk. He's in the waiting room. We'll bring him in the team. And after them, He'll turn Nick's fandom into one of the Internet's most Woah. Recognizable All in my mind. Media brands. How are you doing? Take your spirit. How is New York? How is it going? [00:45:05] S12: You know, it's crazy out here. I'm not gonna lie. [00:45:07] S1: Okay. [00:45:07] S12: I was about to do this interview from my apartment and then I realized, hold on. Yeah. Has anyone done a TBPN interview live from the streets of New York?