02:58:30 ยท John Coogan, Jordi Hays
[02:58:30] S1: Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. [02:58:33] S0: Did you guys have to build in guardrails to prevent people from access? Every every like month there's a post that goes viral of somebody that's like figured out like some endpoint that Chipotle they can get to get like [02:58:44] S1: cold? Like [02:58:45] S0: frontier model [02:58:46] S1: in Chipotle code. Somebody figured out how to wire up. Well, they took some sort of like, open code fork of like codex agent, coding model, but it's wired up to Chipotle's customer service in the back end. This is a huge risk because you could run up a big token bill that way. Is this is this We actually a tough
02:59:03 ยท Bret Taylor
[02:59:03] S2: we have guardrails on it and, you know, it's it's just like any other thing. It's, you know, sort of you're always in a race, the good guy, the white hat versus the black hat to, you know, handle it. You know, in practice, I think it's more like digital graffiti, think nowadays. Like in the early days, you'd see a post online of a chatbot saying something goofy like, oh my gosh, now people are like, yeah, you you fooled with it, you know, like, come on, you know. So I think first, I think it's it's probably jailbreaking I think is a really interesting area of AI security, but probably more around the areas of cyber security and bio and things like that. I think this type of thing, you you it's why people work with places like Sierra to good guardrails. I also think like, you know, social media has sort of become numb to it at this point, you know. It's like, oh, great. You got a chatbot to say something silly again, you know. Yeah. I I think the bigger issue will be just as these frontier models become more capable, the guardrails around using them need to be more and more effective. And I think, you know, as you think about kind of the mission of OpenAI ensuring AGI's benefits humanity, you really need to make sure that those guardrails are effective against jailbreaking, which is not you you you know, it's not like possible to make perfect by the way, but just because these models are sort of capable under the hood, which is why there's been such a interesting, you know, topic around cybersecurity and others. That's probably the area I think more about though, you know, the digital graffiti is gonna continue to exist as well.
03:00:25 ยท Jordi Hays, John Coogan, Bret Taylor
[03:00:25] S0: Yeah. That's a good good term. [03:00:28] S1: I have you ever heard of $0.00 2ยข? [03:00:31] S2: No. Tell me. [03:00:32] S1: Famous customer service nightmare call where someone called Verizon. They were getting billed at 2ยข and they were and the and the actual rate was supposed to be 0.002ยข. So they were off by two orders of magnitude. They're talking to this customer service agent. We'll play it on the show after we wrap. But they're talking to this customer service agent and the customer service agent just actually doesn't know the difference between a decimal cent and an actual cent. And it the frustration that just ensues is like turned into this massively viral video. There's whole websites about it. Verizonmath.blogspot.com from 2006 and it's like this whole deep dive. I'm sure you've heard about [03:01:16] S2: all these different the good part is a super intelligent AI probably will know. [03:01:20] S1: Yeah. I think it will. It's some ground truth things, some code and there's there's opportunities here. [03:01:26] S0: The level intelligence for
03:01:26 ยท Jordi Hays, John Coogan, Bret Taylor
[03:01:26] S0: The level intelligence for [03:01:30] S1: The raw audio for this call is twenty seven minutes. The guy went back and forth and it's hilarious. Cut downs we'll have to play. Yeah, he had unlimited data plan in The US and recently crossed the border to Canada. Prior to crossing the border, he called customer service to find out what rates he'd be paying. The data rate he was quoted was 0.002ยข per kilobyte and then he got billed at $0.002 per kilobyte. So it was a 100 times more and he couldn't get out of his quagmires, Kafka esque customer service interaction. Anyway, thank you so much for taking the time to come on the show. It's always a pleasure. [03:02:06] S0: Always a pleasure. Progress. Incredible progress. Looking forward to the next revenue gong. [03:02:11] S1: Yep. Come back anytime. [03:02:12] S2: I'll come back. [03:02:13] S0: See you. Accelerating. [03:02:15] S2: See you. [03:02:15] S1: Talk to you soon. Goodbye. [03:02:18] S0: Well, folks. Here's gonna [03:02:19] S1: make some sense. [03:02:21] S0: We're gonna now play this twenty seven minute video.
03:02:21 ยท Jordi Hays, John Coogan, Bret Taylor, S5, S10
[03:02:21] S0: We're gonna now play this twenty seven minute video. [03:02:25] S1: No. We can play this one. This is a this is a just a little bit of this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is the one. The the three the three minute version. YouTube math fail. I wanna hear a little bit about this. See if it holds up or if see see if I'm washed on at this point. I'm old and remembering a a seventies video. Not this one. It's the $0.00 2ยข. This is exciting news from Canva. We can talk about it later. But you can turn your chat GPT images into fully editable fully editable Canva designs with magic layers without ever leaving the chat. Great integration there. Apple Intelligence has some more updates too. We can run through later in the week. But let's play the $0.00 2ยข at least a few minutes. Because I [03:03:10] S2: wanna hear if [03:03:10] S5: it holds kilobyte usage that was done while in Canada, $0.002. [03:03:15] S10: Do you recognize that there's there's actually [03:03:17] S5: 0.002ยข. [03:03:19] S10: Yes. Do you recognize there's a difference between those two numbers? [03:03:24] S5: No. $0.002 and 0.002ยข. [03:03:29] S10: Yes. Is there a difference between [03:03:30] S5: They're both the same if you if you look at them on paper wise. [03:03:33] S10: No. They're not, actually. [03:03:34] S5: So if you take 0.002 [03:03:38] S10: Cents. Remember, it's cents. [03:03:41] S5: Times $35,896.71 dollars 79ยข. [03:03:49] S10: No. That would be 71ยข. How much should I be charged? [03:03:54] S5: By by the way this is calculated? $71 [03:03:57] S1: I like these guys crashing out over $70.
03:03:57 ยท John Coogan, S5, S10, Jordi Hays, S14, S3, Vinod Khosla
[03:03:57] S1: I like these guys crashing out over $70. [03:03:59] S5: 2 tenths of a penny per kilobyte. [03:04:01] S10: Two tenths of hold on. Hold on. 2 tenths of a penny would be 0.2ยข. You quoted me 0.002ยข. [03:04:10] S1: I think this guy also might be entirely wrong. He might have just been quoted the wrong number. [03:04:14] S5: 0.002, sir. [03:04:16] S10: 0.002 what? [03:04:18] S0: What? Cents per kilobyte. [03:04:20] S10: So you just said it was 0.2 [03:04:22] S1: They they quoted it back to him. [03:04:26] S10: And then you also said it's 0.002ยข. Those are two completely different numbers. They're 100 fold different. [03:04:33] S5: Okay. George, hold on one second for Okay? This [03:04:38] S1: guy, so dedicated. [03:04:40] S14: This is Andrea. I'm a manager on the floor. How can I help you today? [03:04:42] S1: So now [03:04:43] S10: the manager's involved. Do you recognize that there's a difference between $1 and $1? [03:04:46] S1: Coming out [03:04:46] S3: of the gate. Definitely. [03:04:48] S1: Definitely. Do [03:04:48] S10: you there's a difference between half a dollar and half a [03:04:51] S3: cent? Definitely. [03:04:54] S10: Then do you therefore recognize there's a difference between $0.002 and point $0.00 2ยข. [03:05:02] S9: No. And [03:05:06] S14: I I mean, I'm trying to get what you're saying here, but it's just not [03:05:09] S10: And we're talking about cents. Right? [03:05:11] S14: Right. Point zero zero two. And if we multiply that by the amount of [03:05:16] S3: kilobyte usage that you have [03:05:18] S10: Three five eight nine three.