02:11:02 路 Jordi Hays, John Coogan
[02:11:02] S0: followers posters. [02:11:04] S1: He's successful. But he said, congratulating prime minister Narendra Modi on becoming India's longest serving elected prime minister. April of leadership earned the trust earned through the trust of 1,400,000,000 people across three democratic mandates from lifting 250,000,000 people out of poverty to making India the world's fastest growing major economy. PM Modi's tenure has been nothing short of transformational. Look forward to a continued US India partnership. Love that. Yo Gesh says, bro went from stopping global ransomware attacks at Palo Alto Networks to doing math calculations on PM Modi's calendar milestones like it's his final exam. [02:11:44] S0: Just in quotes too. It's great. And Nick actually appreciates it.
02:11:44 路 Jordi Hays, John Coogan
[02:11:44] S0: Just in quotes too. It's great. And Nick actually appreciates it. [02:11:47] S1: There's been debate over beverage media. Have you seen this? This is a very I saw this eight likes but I think this is an interesting post worth discussing. So Vassa, I don't know exactly this account before but beverage media doesn't have the good nuts to call out celebrity brands objectively because the economy is fanboy of fanboy ing in CPG. Celebrity founders sell tickets to events but they don't always move the industry forward. I think he's probably subtly subtweeting the maybe Tom Brady launch of the of the the nuts, which is a reference to the coconut water brand that's Tom Brady launched. But this does happen all the time. There's a lot of celebrity brands. We've had some celebrities on the show to talk about their brands. It's fun. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. That's the fun part about interviewing a celebrity about their brand. You kind of get to clock it and be like, no. Like, know, this person's really onto something. [02:12:40] S0: I think Wyatt they they named the brand that is they ran fully ran out of other names. Oh, really? Literally the last possible name that they could choose.
02:12:40 路 Jordi Hays, John Coogan
[02:12:40] S0: I think Wyatt they they named the brand that is they ran fully ran out of other names. Oh, really? Literally the last possible name that they could choose. [02:12:49] S1: We're not getting an invite. Tom Brady will not be coming to our event and selling tickets. But it's interesting because yeah, BevNet reports on CPG brands. They're one of the insider media, sort of the tech crunch of CPG, at least in beverages. They also have Nosh for food. And there's a number of other CPG media and critics. But if you got to have one of those celebrity founders at your event to sell tickets, you get into this weird, you get sort of audience captured, I don't know, celeb captured. You just get raptured aura of the celebrities and you have to stay out till two a. M. Partying with them. It's craziness out there. But beverage media, I think it's just interesting in the backdrop of more a more and more celebrity brands. Although it does feel like we're at peak celebrity brand at this point. And I feel like the more modern celebrity strategy is just invest in companies that have a number of good VCs on the cap table. Be happy with that. You can still [02:13:50] S0: Disagree. [02:13:50] S1: Or a farm. Yeah. Okay. Disagree. Explain. [02:13:53] S0: Think celebrity celebrity brands have always been a thing. They're just way more in your face because now celebrities have their own channels that they can communicate. [02:14:00] S1: I'd say they're less in my face. I I say we're on the decline. Top celebrity brand.
02:14:00 路 John Coogan, Jordi Hays, Vinod Khosla, S5, Farza Majeed
[02:14:00] S1: I'd say they're less in my face. I I say we're on the decline. Top celebrity brand. [02:14:07] S0: No. I'm quoting John Feeney. No. I think it's just getting it's getting easier and easier to start a business. I think you'll see more celebrity brands. I don't necessarily think you'll see more breakout [02:14:15] S1: brands. Yeah. Okay. So your claim is is quantity is increasing. I think [02:14:18] S0: it's probably getting harder. [02:14:19] S1: Quality is decreasing. [02:14:21] S0: Quality More distribution. Yeah. Yeah. Greater greater I mean, there's gonna be some breakout celebrity brands. Yep. There's gonna be big exits. Yep. There's gonna be as many failures as ever. Right? I mean, my favorite example was like Travis Scott, a few years ago, launched a RTD, like, canned cocktail thing. Shut down, I think, within a year. Like Yeah. Maybe maybe maybe more. And so I I think you're just gonna see more and more and more. [02:14:52] S1: Would you put the Johnny Knoxville Neo Cloud in the in the bucket of celebrity brands? [02:15:00] S0: That is something I would like to see. Less Yeah. [02:15:02] S9: Less C [02:15:03] S1: K Y two k. [02:15:04] S0: Less beverage, more neo clouds. [02:15:06] S1: More [02:15:06] S0: neo. I wanna see Johnny Knoxville levered up. [02:15:10] S5: Yeah. [02:15:11] S0: Right? Yeah. I wanna see him [02:15:12] S1: Racking GPUs himself. [02:15:13] S6: Yeah. I want [02:15:14] S1: him like operationally involved too. [02:15:16] S0: Not just like Not just a pretty face. [02:15:18] S1: Endorsement.
02:15:18 路 John Coogan, Jordi Hays, Ranjan Rajagopalan
[02:15:18] S1: Endorsement. [02:15:18] S0: Yeah. Not just a pretty face. So anyways, I think more on the horizon and it's not you know, a lot of I I don't know. I feel like some people don't don't like this but I think it's fine. [02:15:30] S1: It's fine. It's fine. You heard it here first. Jordy Hayes. It's fine. You know what else is fine? [02:15:36] S0: Get used [02:15:36] S1: to The New York Stock Exchange. Than Wanna change the world, raise capital at the New York Stock Exchange. Our next guest might be there soon with Primana Labs. We have Ranjan, who's the cofounder in the waiting room. Let's bring him into the TBPN UltraDome. Welcome to the show. How are you doing? Thank you so much for taking the time. [02:15:53] S11: Doing great, John. Shadi. [02:15:55] S1: Pleased to be here. First time on the show. Please introduce the company. We heard a little bit about it from Vinod, but I wanna hear it from you. [02:16:02] S0: Yeah. Bravo by the way of getting being able to get Vinod to just like personally pitch Yeah. Your company for fifteen minutes on It's on Internet a it's a good, it's a good sales [02:16:13] S1: It's a sales. [02:16:13] S0: Hack. Good pitch.
02:16:13 路 Jordi Hays, Ranjan Rajagopalan, John Coogan
[02:16:13] S0: Hack. Good pitch. [02:16:15] S11: Thank you. Thank you so much. At Pramana, we we try to make AI more provably accurate. The current frontier of AI focuses on recall, which is more along the lines of how do you make more answers come up. Yeah. But we are trying to focus on very specific mission critical domains like tax, legal, health care, and governance, where a wrong answer could be catastrophic. Mhmm. You wouldn't want AI diagnosing you wrong and ending up in a catastrophic situation. So that's where we focus on. And the technology underneath it is formal verification. Yeah. I would like you guys to dive a little bit deeper and I can get more technical as it is. [02:16:58] S1: Yeah. I I I'm just wondering about the actual, like, rollout of this. Like, people are using AI tools for health care now. They've been using WebMD. People have been misdiagnosed with cancer for by random internet posts for like decades. You go to WebMD, you're like I have a headache and it's like you got brain cancer and then you freak out, go to the doctor and they're like what are you talking about? Take an Advil. But so like who exactly is is not adopting AI right now because of the hallucination problem? [02:17:32] S11: One, two major examples currently are like big four firms [02:17:37] S0: Okay.