01:11:49 · Luca Ferrari, Matteo Danieli, Roman Kirsch
[01:11:49] S2: Yeah, agree. That's a good point. Especially smart people will appreciate you more. I think sometimes stupid people like to follow leaders with absolute certainty. But I think as a leader you much rather work with be followed by follow smart people. So I'd say patience. Not in the way that like I think an entrepreneur needs to have a massive sense of urgency. So not patience in the sense of well we can take it easy, we'll get there eventually. But more in the sense of understanding that a great thing, a great vision may take a long time to be accomplished and being able to take the millions of steps it takes to gather patience in that way. And I think a lot of the time, especially I sound old saying You are. Young people [01:12:45] S1: these Compared to the average colleague you are. [01:12:48] S2: Statistically, average age at the conference were like 28. Yes. I'm 29. No, but people these days sometimes do seem to want it all, want it now, which on the one hand it's good to have that ambition and drive, you rarely get it all. And now people who got it all, whatever that means, typically are the people who stuck with it for a long time and took the millions of steps to climb the mountain. And so patience in that way, continuity, consistency, precious and fairly rare quality I think. [01:13:22] S0: 100% agree, yeah. [01:13:23] S1: Mean, you do have like overnight successes as well every now and then, but they typically fade away as quickly as they came. Also there are so few and far too Yeah, they're also very You're years fast strategy
01:13:23 · Matteo Danieli, Luca Ferrari, Roman Kirsch
[01:13:23] S1: Mean, you do have like overnight successes as well every now and then, but they typically fade away as quickly as they came. Also there are so few and far too Yeah, they're also very You're years fast strategy [01:13:32] S2: to say I'm going to have [01:13:32] S0: success No, I'll in tomorrow. Yeah. So last question, if not an entrepreneur, what would you be most likely doing right now? [01:13:40] S2: I'd probably be working for, I actually don't like the word working for but just someone else, an entrepreneur. I don't think I need to be the guy in charge or founder necessarily. It happened to be the case. But what I know I need is to be part of a very ambitious, grand project where I feel I'm helping build something worthwhile, bigger than myself. And if it had... It meant following someone else's lead, I'll be pretty happy doing that as long as I admire the person. I actually hate to be managed by someone whose intelligence and integrity I don't respect. But... So I'd probably just be looking for someone doing something that I think it's inspiring and I would try to help them do that.
01:13:40 · Luca Ferrari, Matteo Danieli
[01:13:40] S2: I'd probably be working for, I actually don't like the word working for but just someone else, an entrepreneur. I don't think I need to be the guy in charge or founder necessarily. It happened to be the case. But what I know I need is to be part of a very ambitious, grand project where I feel I'm helping build something worthwhile, bigger than myself. And if it had... It meant following someone else's lead, I'll be pretty happy doing that as long as I admire the person. I actually hate to be managed by someone whose intelligence and integrity I don't respect. But... So I'd probably just be looking for someone doing something that I think it's inspiring and I would try to help them do that. [01:14:33] S1: Yeah. I think that, you know, I've always felt like I love to create no matter really the context, the vertical, the what. And up to the point where I met Luke and my other co founder, I didn't know how much I love to create within business, like within business. So right now, I love that. I love being able to create value for users but also for the company, business value as well. So if I hadn't fallen in love with that, I would probably be creating something else. Perhaps I would be an architect or some movie director. Who knows? But I think that would still be part of my life. [01:15:17] S2: Wasn't that a childhood dream? I think you told me at some [01:15:19] S1: point Yeah, I'm still in love with the idea of becoming a movie director at some point or a producer perhaps. But right now I feel that my time is much better spent on Bending Spoons.
01:15:19 · Matteo Danieli, Roman Kirsch, Luca Ferrari
[01:15:19] S1: point Yeah, I'm still in love with the idea of becoming a movie director at some point or a producer perhaps. But right now I feel that my time is much better spent on Bending Spoons. [01:15:31] S0: There's time, there's still time. [01:15:32] S1: There's time, but not so much. [01:15:35] S0: Matteo, Luke, it's been a pleasure having you. Thanks for sharing your insights. [01:15:38] S2: Thank you, a [01:15:39] S1: pleasure talking [01:15:39] S2: with you.