The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
01:00:55 · Scott Galloway
[01:00:55] S0: I see it in academia. I see it in politics. I see it in business. The thing that I really think plagues society is people who won't leave. And I, you know, people who won't... I was just thinking about Christiane Amanpour, who after forty five years or forty three years is leaving CNN. Clarissa Ward is gonna take her place and outstanding. I'm like, there's a dignity to saying, okay. It's time for me to make room for younger people. Last question about technology. I believe the rise of social going on mobile has created an atmosphere for almost everything really awful in the world. I think social media on mobile has created atmospherics for it. A decline in the trust of our institutions, an increase in not shared truths, but shared lies. I'm curious for your thoughts about historically, whether it's the printing press or newspapers or radio or TV. This moment with this technology, well, one, do you buy that thesis that social media has been a real social ill for democracy and, two, any historical references that help us understand where it heads or what we can do about it.
01:02:05 · Heather Cox Richardson
[01:02:05] S1: So it's interesting you would say that, and this is probably a glass half full or half empty response in that if you look at the disinformation that has traveled over social media, a 100%, it's been vile. But you can also turn around and look at the fact that we've been able to create extraordinarily strong democratic movements thanks to social media. And you look at some place like the American South during Reconstruction when you had the arrival of the KKK, there was nothing a black family could do. They couldn't call their neighbors to them. They couldn't say, hey. I'm worried these guys are in the neighborhood. They were on their own. And you compare that to what happened in Minneapolis with the ICE agents there. You could reach out to people and say, I need help here right now. And, of course, that made it possible to push back on them. What I would... And and then you also have the fact that the social media has made it impossible now for politicians to say one thing to one audience and something else to another audience, which looks very much like the telegraph. Once you had the telegraph giving information about what a politician said in Southern Illinois, for example, versus Northern Illinois. There was a big split across the center of the state. That's what gave rise to people like Abraham Lincoln who said, hey. I'm talking the same way on both sides of this line. Stephen Douglas is not. So it definitely changes a lot of things up. But I think what I would say about that is, like everything else, we need to have guardrails around how we use any new technology. And I'm a huge defender of the First Amendment, so I'm not at all about people in the government trying to corral what people can say on social media, but I do think that the algorithms that give privilege to bots and trolls and disinformation should and could be regulated. And then we would take that tool and turn it into something that is predominantly good rather than predominantly bad. I feel your pain on that one, though, because the stuff that's out there is horrible, vile, and, of course, was instrumental in giving us Donald Trump. The same token, we could also use it the other way.
01:04:14 · Scott Galloway, Heather Cox Richardson
[01:04:14] S0: About halfway through my question, I realized that social media and new technologies and substack have given us Heather Cox Richardson. I just don't know if you would have the same impact and the same real time ability to communicate and have the... Like Doris Kearns Goodwin, fantastic historian. There's been amazing history, the guy who wrote the Churchill books. They wrote books and taught classes. So they had a big impact on hundreds of people daily, but their impact on millions of people was very intermittent. And [01:04:45] S1: Well, we also got to work around the gatekeepers. That that is that is is... So the voices that are out there now, I think one of the things pushing this moment, the voices that are out there are voices that did not get traction until they could work around the gatekeepers. [01:04:59] S0: Or they got fired by the gatekeepers. That's right. Said, I'm gonna keep going. [01:05:02] S1: Oh, and and look at the difference that's made in so many different people who are somewhat unleashed. I mean, I think the best example of that is Paul Krugman who... You know, he was fine at the times, but, boy, now that he's writing on his own every day, I never miss a column because it just... It's got a an authentic edge where you feel like [01:05:20] S0: you're Honey badger don't give a shit. [01:05:22] S1: Mhmm. That's right. Well
01:05:22 · Heather Cox Richardson, Scott Galloway, S2
[01:05:22] S1: Mhmm. That's right. Well [01:05:23] S0: There's no there's no editor saying, should we really say this? Yeah. There's a there's a raw... It's it's more salsa, less chip right now. Yeah. I agree with you. There's a certain there's a certain edge to it. Professor Richardson, you are always our favorite guest here. I love that you're having this moment. I think it's fantastic, and I I always repeat this story. But whenever we go on tour and we reference you or name check your work, we get this incredible level of of applause. So I trust you're taking time to just appreciate the moment that you're having. It's always great to see you, Heather. [01:06:00] S1: Always a pleasure to be here. [01:06:04] S0: This episode was produced by Jennifer Sanchez, Laura Janier, and Asher Schwartz. Our video editor is Bianca Rosario Ramirez. Cami Reek is our social producer. Drew Burrows is our technical director, and Catherine Dillon is our executive producer. Thanks for listening to the Prof Pod from Prof G Media. [01:06:28] S2: Ryan Reynolds here from Mint Mobile. I don't know if you knew this, but anyone can get the same premium wireless for $15 a month plan that I've been enjoying. It's not just for celebrities. So do like I did, and have one of your assistant's assistants switch you to Mint Mobile today. I'm told it's super easy to do at mintmobile.com/switch.
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