Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth
01:06:20 · Lenny Rachitsky
[01:06:20] S1: Coming back to this phrase you use, presume radical uncertainty is a nice core thesis here. So knowing all this, just it's hard to tell. We don't know exactly where it's going. Things are going to change a lot, but it'll probably be okay broadly. Just a lot of people listening are pretty worried about their jobs and their careers, and how much the world changes. What would be a couple things you recommend people do knowing what you know to be more successful in this future?
01:06:48 · Benedict Evans
[01:06:48] S0: Well, I should just wind back on what you just said. It's like, as Keynes tells us, in the long run, we're all dead. So on average, nobody died in World War I. Great. But if you're a 19-year-old in 1914, you've got a one in three chances of not coming back. So yes, clearly there's a bunch of professions where this is a major question and particularly if you're an associate, or would've been thinking about being an associate, this is a major question. And it's very unclear how those professions are going to play out. It's very unclear what happens to the pyramid structure of professional services. The only answer I think one can have is, don't stick your head in the sand and say, "I hate all of this stuff," because that gives you a great feeling of moral superiority. And you can go on Bluesky and shout at everybody, chat at each other about how evil AI is like. Great, I'm happy for you, but that's not going to help. What helps is you diving into this completely submerging yourself in it and coming at understanding what you can do with it, how this changes things, how you can be a great hire. And that may still not help. But if you're going to a law firm and they're like, well, we hired a hundred associates last year and this year we're only going to hire 50, go into the interview and say, "Well, I think AI is and I'm never going to use it," is probably not the right mood. So, that may not be particularly comforting, but I don't think there's an alternative, is you have to dive into this and absorb it, and internalize it and think about what it means, just as you and I did with mobile and with the internet.
01:08:33 · Lenny Rachitsky
[01:08:33] S1: I think that is actually very actionable and very consistent advice on the podcast, is just, do stuff, build it, don't just sit around and pontificate and be pissed at what's happening. To close this out, I'm going to take us to AI Corner, a recurring corner of the podcast. And the question to you is just, what's one way you've used AI and use AI in your work or life that is really interesting, something that other people might be inspired by?
01:09:01 · Benedict Evans
[01:09:01] S0: I don't know. I struggle with this question, because I'm thought of the lawyer looking at ChatGPT. So, the stuff that I would do that I would automate are sort of precise information retrieval task, which is precisely the thing that this is kind of worse at. And that's not a criticism, it's just an observation. The kind of stuff that I would want a machine to do for me is the stuff that AI I can't do for me very, very, very well at the moment. I use it for proofreading, I use it for images, I used it redecorating my apartment, that worked fantastic, you're aware at that. Here's a picture of this room, repaint it at this light and this table and this rug. No change color of the rug. There's a kind of class of stuff where it works. But I mean, a couple of years ago, somebody said AI is good at stuff that computers are bad at and bad at stuff that computers are good at. And I struggle to find many examples of those where I need it. But then I'm kind of a unique, weird job. I sit at my desk all day trying to synthesize a whole bunch of other stuff into a whole bunch of new ideas. That's not particularly common way for people to spend their time. I struggle to find AI use cases. I am the accountant looking at the spreadsheet and thinking, "Well, that's very clever, and this is clearly going to completely transform everything, but I actually don't make spreadsheets every day."
01:10:23 · Lenny Rachitsky, Benedict Evans
[01:10:23] S1: I went to a standup comedy show of Pete Holmes, I don't know if you know him. And he made this joke that we want AI to clean the poop off the street and do all these hard things that nobody wants to do, but instead it's like, "Oh, let me help you write. Let me help you create imagery." It's like this bohemian. It's like, "No, I don't want to do all these ugly things. I want to be creative, make art." [01:10:44] S0: Yeah. Well, I mean, there's variations of all of this. It's like I don't want the AI to do the stuff I do for fun. I want it to do the boring stuff that I don't do for fun. And finding that mesh. I mean, joking apart, this is going to come back to my chatbot point, that the chatbot is a blank screen in a jagged edge. And what am I supposed to do and what will work? And that's a big problem. And the solution to that problem is to wrap it in use cases. Part of it is also like AI just disappears. So most of what I write now I dictate. I dictate as a voicemail, and that's automatically transcribed. Is that still AI or is that just voice recognition? There's probably an LLM in there. Okay. So maybe that's AI. Well, okay. So what? At a certain point, it's just automation. [01:11:29] S1: What do you use for that, for voice transcription? [01:11:31] S0: So, I actually find that Apple Notes, the app or the one built into the iPhone works fine. I mean, I'm conscious of the people want others, but I mean, I dictate it. There it is. It worked. So, I'm happy with that.
01:11:31 · Benedict Evans, Lenny Rachitsky
[01:11:31] S0: So, I actually find that Apple Notes, the app or the one built into the iPhone works fine. I mean, I'm conscious of the people want others, but I mean, I dictate it. There it is. It worked. So, I'm happy with that. [01:11:42] S1: All right. Final question before we get to our very exciting lightning round. Is there anything else that you wanted to share? Anything else you want to leave listeners with? [01:11:49] S0: No, I think I've monologued plenty, and I've gone through a bunch of stuff in the deck. Go read the deck, and sign up to my newsletter, and then you will get in many more mags of brilliant Benedict Evans' wisdom, some of which may even be useful. Someone unsubscribed for my newsletter and they said, "You didn't give me any actionable stock ideas." And I'm like, "Well, on one level, that's completely true. On the other level, maybe not." [01:12:17] S1: Well, with that, Benedict, we've reached our very exciting lightning round. I've got five questions for you. Are you ready? [01:12:22] S0: Sure. [01:12:23] S1: First question, what are two or three books that you find yourself recommending most to other people?