Funny Business
00:30:19 · Lachlan Bradford, Adam Miller
[00:30:19] S0: There... There's a lot [00:30:19] S2: to be scared of. Right? Like, we've been sort of having debates and chats about AGI recently. There's a really good pod... Podcast called the Dwarkesh podcast, which is all about emerging voices in AI and, you know, like, I... I'm... I see so much goodness coming out of AI companies and applications in education and health, like, just what... Like, how you use it in your company and software and stuff. There's a lot of scary things about, like, the development of AI and a few companies having all the control of it and what that could do to society, what that could do if, like, AI sort of runs rampant and stuff. So there's there's scary things out [00:30:54] S0: there.
00:30:54 · Lachlan Bradford, Sachin, Robbie Hicks
[00:30:54] S0: there. [00:30:55] S3: I I also think that, like, in Silicon Valley in particular, when people become really big in the business and tech world, they then go into politics, which is often dangerous in my opinion. Like, if you got famous for your building a technology company and you're a computer science person, of course, you know, you have power and you have opinions. But they again will become really engrossed in politics, and I think that can be dangerous as well. And I also just think people in tech often take themselves too seriously. Like, I saw this a lot in venture capital. People would come in saying, this business is gonna change the world, and it was literally like some, like, accounting software. And no no hate to accounting software, but, like, I think there are parts of the tech world that take themselves too seriously and other parts that need to be celebrated and have more light shone on them, which is what we're, you know, passionate about doing. [00:31:38] S0: I think it's it's gonna be fun. Like, I [00:31:40] S1: feel like doing over the next few years, we're just gonna go through such a crazy period of change. Like, AI is still up and coming. It's it's still new in the scheme of... I reckon we felt like the ripple effect of what it's gonna do [00:31:51] S0: It's like having a mobile phone. To the workforce.
00:31:51 · Lachlan Bradford, Robbie Hicks, Sachin
[00:31:51] S0: It's like having a mobile phone. To the workforce. [00:31:52] S1: I I see it more like it's it's been a tricky last say twelve, eighteen, twenty four months where some of the bigger corporates, not in the startup space, are starting to see... I I think what it is is like the realignment and then reshift, reorganization, whatever you wanna call it of of corporate workforce. And I think that that's really interesting for us is like the people who... We got a lot people in our circle who aren't really tech or start up focused and we're like trying to tell them about shit that's going on. It's like, no. No. [00:32:22] S0: It's gonna gonna fuck you [00:32:23] S1: up a little bit. So it's like, trying to take an optimistic approach to that. [00:32:26] S3: I you guys are gonna be popular at parties saying that. [00:32:28] S0: Yeah. It's gonna fuck you up. It's it's hard because you see that. I I feel like you see it all [00:32:32] S1: the time. Like, there's bunch of announcements last week, like, Telstra just dropped another bunch of staff and all sorts of things. So it's like, there are positives, but I feel like it's a weird it's a weird mix whether you're either on the winning team, so, like, you're some startups where they are making the tech or you're not really... It's gonna... That shift, I think, is gonna happen so quick that a lot of, like [00:32:51] S0: People are gonna get slapped [00:32:52] S1: in Joes. Yeah. They're get slapped up and, like, wake up and they're [00:32:55] S0: Totally. I think I
00:32:55 · Lachlan Bradford, Sachin
[00:32:55] S0: Totally. I think I [00:32:56] S3: think people worry a lot about, like, the effects of of inequality. Right? Because, like, all this AI innovation is coming from, you know, the upper echelons of San Francisco culture. And, like, a lot of these companies will capture a lot of that value. And it's like, what does that do to the everyday person? But the only, like, argument against that is that a lot of the jobs that we think can be automated now actually aren't like your your average trade or your truck driver. They're actually your knowledge worker. So, like, everyone thought that AI would automate the the more manual blue collar jobs, but it doesn't look like it.
00:33:24 · Adam Miller, Lachlan Bradford, Robbie Hicks
[00:33:24] S2: I I think, like, a positive lens on this too is that this is, like, one of the most democratized technologies we've ever seen. Like, for example, when mobile phones and laptops first, like, were were produced, like, not everyone in the world would just be able to freely have one just because of economics. The same thing happened with Internet. But now because so much of the world has a phone, has a laptop, has an Internet connection, every... Like, almost everybody can just go on to, you know, chat GPT and start using that. So it's actually, like, really, really democratized. And just, like, the ability to learn about these things is super democratized as well. So, like, taking the optimistic angle, like, I'm wondering about how Sachin and I can also try and participate that. Like, how can we help educate upcoming people in Australia and around the world about how to use this software to your own advantage, how to learn better, how how to learn skills that are right 10 x and other people used to use it. [00:34:12] S0: I love that because I feel like your your dreams can shift of... On what's possible. Like, even just going through [00:34:17] S1: Completely. [00:34:18] S0: I remember when mid journey first come out, I was like Yeah. This is fucking crazy. If I was, like, 10 years old right now... Because I used to do, like, alternative covers to bands and stuff and just write random shit, you know, like, all that type of stuff. I feel like you can go really wild Yeah. With all the stuff... With all the tools that are available now.
00:34:18 · Lachlan Bradford, Adam Miller, Sachin
[00:34:18] S0: I remember when mid journey first come out, I was like Yeah. This is fucking crazy. If I was, like, 10 years old right now... Because I used to do, like, alternative covers to bands and stuff and just write random shit, you know, like, all that type of stuff. I feel like you can go really wild Yeah. With all the stuff... With all the tools that are available now. [00:34:33] S2: Absolutely. And and we talk a lot about AI taking jobs away, but the flip side of that is that it's it's also an empowerment tool. So, like, if you're a kid and you've got a laptop and you don't have a lot of money, and if you use time, you can probably produce your own movie or your own documentary just by being really good at prompting and being really, really creative. And, like, we see this with our editor, like, just the speed of how he's able to operate because he's using all these sort of AI plugins with Adobe Adobe podcast, all those sort of things. And you can just see someone being so super powered. [00:35:02] S3: I kinda disagree with that though because I think that, like, the creativity and prompting will become less valuable over time when it's just easier. Like, more and more gets automated. So it's like, right now, your creativity in learning Premiere Pro could be completely diminished by prompting. But, like, who... Who's gonna create... Like, capture the value? It's not gonna be the people, you know, who are using these tools. It's gonna be the people that, like, run these models, and all those models are run-in certain places.