The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
00:28:37 · Harry Stebbings, Luca Ferrari
[00:28:37] S1: What do you know about risk and risk mitigation today that you wish you'd known ten years ago? [00:28:42] S0: Assume you're not as smart as you think you are. The issue here is that most people will end up making significant capital allocation calls. Generally, those people, they wouldn't be there if they hadn't been somewhat successful by most measures. Sometimes academically and then professionally, but at least professionally. Right? Otherwise, it's unlikely to imagine that someone would be managing $50,000,000,000 or, you know, ask a scale up worth billions. If that's the case, it's very easy to think too highly of yourself and that is very dangerous. The moment you think you're very smart, the likelihood that you make very dumb mistakes skyrockets in my opinion. Now, you need to retain a little bit of self confidence, otherwise, you won't make any moves. But I think a healthy level of second guessing yourself, assuming you're biased in favor of your ideas, that you're lazy and don't wanna look into a certain risk fact because you know it's gonna take you fifty hours of grinding through benchmarks and analyzing data, that you should assume that's the case and adjust your aim accordingly. [00:29:45] S1: Luca, when did you take too much risk on an asset? Too much that you shouldn't have taken?
00:29:45 · Harry Stebbings, Luca Ferrari
[00:29:45] S1: Luca, when did you take too much risk on an asset? Too much that you shouldn't have taken? [00:29:50] S0: Oh, I mean, it's difficult in hindsight. You know, it's it's like if you play a hand of poker. It's quite dangerous to assess whether you played it well based on the results. So I'm thinking based on what I knew at the time and what I could have possibly known. One that's obvious to me, we did buy this app. I'd rather not mention it by name, but a pretty significant product. We made the mistake I mentioned earlier. We were quite bullish that our projections of user acquisition rates were conservative. And I think we were a little bit lazy in really studying the underlying factors driving user acquisition historically. We just looked at it in aggregate and bit naively. Had we done our homework more thoroughly, I think we would have spotted that some of the underlying factors were waning and dropping quickly. And that consequently, the rate of user acquisition was likely to to shrink faster than we had anticipated. Because we had actually projected it to decline, but not nearly fast enough. That's certainly a case where I feel I'm not very proud of the way we handled ourselves. I think we did a mediocre job [00:30:52] S1: there. Did it change how you do it?
00:30:52 · Harry Stebbings, Luca Ferrari
[00:30:52] S1: there. Did it change how you do it? [00:30:54] S0: Yeah, definitely. Every year or so, we we try to spend an hour reminiscing that particular situation, a repeated retrospective. We have dissected our mistakes, ad nauseam, so it's not that we're gonna learn anything new, but I think it's healthy to remind yourself just how lazy and dumb you were at some point, so you don't assume you have become hardworking and smart all of a sudden. [00:31:14] S1: I did love your humility. Can I ask you on the flip side? Was there a time when you didn't take enough risk and you're like, come on, Luca. You should have done more of that. We could have been more aggressive. [00:31:24] S0: I think it's probably one of my greatest shortcomings as an entrepreneur and manager. I feel I'm too concerned, scared even of disappointing others, colleagues, investors. And as such, I believe we have waited a little bit too long to raise capital. We've waited a little bit too long to push, you know, on the accelerator to implement our strategy the fastest speed we were capable of. I feel our level of caution has been, generally speaking, excessive. I think had we been more aggressive, we would have made more mistakes. But overall, I believe we would have created more value for our share owners, our colleagues. You can't really a b test life, and so maybe it's not the case. Who knows? But that that's my read in hindsight. [00:32:07] S1: Luca, do you care what other people think? Do you care?
00:32:07 · Harry Stebbings, Luca Ferrari
[00:32:07] S1: Luca, do you care what other people think? Do you care? [00:32:10] S0: Unfortunately, yes. That's the second. It's part of the... I was just mentioning I'm too concerned about disappointing others. I don't think I want others to think highly of me. I I don't think I'm egocentric in that way, but it really bothers me if they hate me or think poorly of me. So it's more like the the downside that I or the negative end of spectrum that really annoys me or frustrates me. The... I don't necessarily seek to be on the other end of the spectrum and be praised, but but I hate it when they really don't like me. And that's a major handicap in in my role. Like, if you... Many of the best CEOs, they don't give a shit to a fault even. I think it's a superpower to have. I've tried to be more resilient emotionally in that regard. Over time, I've gotten more fatalistic and you grow a thicker skin. You know, when you get criticized a lot, then at some point, you either die or or or give up or grow a thicker skin. So I've been able to grow a thicker skin, but that's an issue for sure for me. [00:33:02] S1: I was walking in the park with a friend of mine who's the founder of a $20,000,000,000 business, and I was moaning about something. And he was like, Harry, shut up. Your job is to get punched in the face 50 times a year and just get up every time. That's life as an entrepreneur. Like, get on with it. My question to you is, what do you tell yourself when you do get punched? When you do get that hit down? What does that voice in your head say?
00:33:26 · Luca Ferrari
[00:33:26] S0: I think I'm very self critical to to a point where maybe it's unhealthy. I wouldn't recommend that necessarily to others. I don't think it's part of my character to give up. Now, at least in the situations I've been so far because there's always something harder and maybe there is a point where you break down. But I don't think I can claim to have to have gone through, you know, the truly difficult things in life that some people have to go through. My my challenges have been business related, which I find are, frankly, luxury problems to have. You know, I've been in the situation where I was complaining to particularly to other people in similar roles. But in hindsight, I think it's irritating that people like you and I complain about these sort of things because we really are privileged. I mean, come on. We we were born and raised in somewhat affluent countries and and clearly had a chance to try our hand at things that are certainly not not terrible. I mean, it's a privilege to be able to do what... At least what I do. I I think you probably feel the same way about what you do. So maybe we should just probably just take a step back and have a laugh, you know, the real problems in life are not these ones.
00:34:26 · Harry Stebbings, Luca Ferrari
[00:34:26] S1: Absolutely not. The life of a venture capitalist is brutal, Luca. We we are positively suppressed as a as a class of people. No. I I completely I completely agree with you. My grandfather, I found out, earned like £7 an hour shoveling gravel on a golf course at 82. And I was like, you know what? A little bit of perspective is important. I I wanna touch on... [00:34:48] S0: And and there's worse than that. I mean, that's the thing. That's not even as as bad [00:34:52] S1: as it gets, you know, so... I I do wanna touch on the people around you because so many people told me about the talent density that you built. And you mentioned before to me about talent and motivation density. It's quite a specific use of words, actually. It's not like, oh, we have great people. What did you mean by talent and motivation density?