00:23:08 · Roman Krznaric
[00:23:08] S1: Yeah, it's a really important question. Because firstly, I wouldn't think like long-term thinking by itself is a good thing. You know, Hitler wanted in a thousand-year Reich, okay? So, and a former head of Goldman Sachs, a guy called Gus Levy, once said, we're greedy, but long-term greedy, not short-term greedy. Now, that's not the kind of good ancestry I'm interested in. So it has to be connected with ethics. But there are real tensions, you know. For example, like, should a government be putting their money into, you know, keeping Putin, you know, not coming over your borders today, or thinking about long-term investment in a tidal power scheme, you know, that might benefit people in 50 or 100 years more than they would today. And there's often a tension there. And in fact, I I once went and asked um someone who was has the great political position of being the future generations commissioner of Wales. So Wales um has this amazing public position, the Future Generations Commissioner, which is a non-party political position where their job is to look at the impact of public policy in all areas, such as employment, education, healthcare, up to 30 years in the future. So not seven generations, but still pretty far in political terms. And the Future Generations Commissioner Derek Walker was saying, look, if you design policy right, you help people both today and tomorrow. Um, so you, for example, invest in um renewable energy, you know, which brings down energy prices today, but it also reduces carbon emissions over the long term. So I think that's the kind of thing we should be trying to sort of deal with the tensions, but think what we can do today, which is yeah, satisfies our challenges today, but also is going to be good for future generations.
00:24:44 · Cameron McLain, Roman Krznaric
[00:24:44] S0: I just love it. It's a very simple idea, but it's it's very profound. And so, what we're gonna do in part two is get onto how this can change the behavior of all the people listening and watching to this. So stay tuned for part two. But thanks so much for sharing part one of your giant idea. [00:24:57] S1: It has been a great pleasure.