AI Tinkerers - "One-Shot"
00:51:12 · Luke Harries, Joe Heitzeberg
[00:51:12] S0: Yeah. But, no, that [00:51:13] S1: that can be solved. That's wonderful to hear. Okay. Talking about the... Go back to popping up to ElevenLabs, the tremendous growth. I can imagine early on that a lot of it was just tinkering and playing, and it's like almost like a new form of entertainment to use voices and AIs and interact with them. Yeah. But now we've got clearly people using it for customer support. What are the growth drivers right now? What are the actual real world use cases where you're seeing... You know, is it the stuff that I would expect to hear support? Are there any unexpected unexpected modes modes that that are are interesting? Interesting? [00:51:42] S0: The one which I think is really surprise... Yeah. So the obvious ones are like support and sales. Yeah. The one which I think is really surprising is education. Oh, yeah. Because I think for years in, like, tech VC space, just no one view no one view education companies as, like, actually venture backed investable businesses. Mhmm. But what's fascinating is as soon as you start integrating proper AI and voice Mhmm. The quality level improves so much. You can deliver on so much more. You can, like, properly have a, like, hour long experience or or get way better at language learning. [00:52:18] S1: Does that does that look like people just using it directly as consumers or or baking it into education platforms as a mode?
00:52:18 · Joe Heitzeberg, Luke Harries
[00:52:18] S1: Does that does that look like people just using it directly as consumers or or baking it into education platforms as a mode? [00:52:25] S0: So for us, we... With our conversational AI is nearly always we sell to businesses who create these incredible end experiences. Yeah. So an example would be chess.com. Okay. So they have a... An app with, professor Wolf, which will give you, like, interactive chess lessons and speak you through it. Fun. So that's a really cool one. There's another one, like, a whole bunch of the language learning apps are using us. Yeah. And so like Practica is one example, but some of the biggest use us and like creating properly interactive Yeah. Things. And my wife is French. I've spent thousands of pounds Yeah. Thousands of dollars having like one on one French lessons. Yeah. And every time it was like, oh, you need to be there at a certain time. Yeah. Their Internet's bad and blah blah blah. And now it's just like on demand. You have a fantastic French tutor.
00:52:25 · Luke Harries, Joe Heitzeberg
[00:52:25] S0: So for us, we... With our conversational AI is nearly always we sell to businesses who create these incredible end experiences. Yeah. So an example would be chess.com. Okay. So they have a... An app with, professor Wolf, which will give you, like, interactive chess lessons and speak you through it. Fun. So that's a really cool one. There's another one, like, a whole bunch of the language learning apps are using us. Yeah. And so like Practica is one example, but some of the biggest use us and like creating properly interactive Yeah. Things. And my wife is French. I've spent thousands of pounds Yeah. Thousands of dollars having like one on one French lessons. Yeah. And every time it was like, oh, you need to be there at a certain time. Yeah. Their Internet's bad and blah blah blah. And now it's just like on demand. You have a fantastic French tutor. [00:53:13] S1: You know, I think the quality of the education we all have experienced with the models, the quality of the conversational is not quite there yet. In terms of experiencing it, like, I think that these things we talked about, latency, turn detection, emotional especially, are gonna be a game changer. Whatever we've all experienced with these tools so far Yeah. It's a whole other standard deviation of, like, consumption that will happen, in my opinion. And I say that partly because of some of the other things that you've seen. You know? Yes. I mean, I'll mention sesame only because I know they've [00:53:50] S0: Yeah.
00:53:50 · Luke Harries, Joe Heitzeberg
[00:53:50] S0: Yeah. [00:53:50] S1: Come to your meetup, the Tinkerers meetup in London, which you didn't say. Luke is now the organizer for AI Tinkerers London. [00:53:55] S0: Yeah. I'm not honored. I've got big sheets in fill. Louis did a fantastic job. [00:53:59] S1: And so we've had the founder of Sesame coming to that meetup for a while. We have the founder of... The other founder of Sesame lives in my end of the world in Bellevue, Washington Yes. And comes to the Seattle meetup. But that system kinda blew my mind. It... Emotionality, I think, was the the the best I'd experienced. Before they cut it down to, like, I think you get two minutes. At... When they first launched, it was an hour, And I had hour long Wow. Conversations with this thing, multiple, driving, working out, where I'm getting entertained. I'm genuinely laughing. [00:54:31] S0: Yeah. [00:54:32] S1: Like, the content's just, you know, where they're using Gemma, you know, Google's open source model. [00:54:37] S0: Right? But [00:54:39] S1: because the voice emotional response is so adapting to me and engaging Yeah. It's it's it's gonna lead to, like, the few things. One is this uptick in the usage, I believe Yeah. That once you experience that, there's no going back. And therefore, for this case of, like, chess education or anything, it's gonna be that much deeper and better. And then two is, like, this hard to predict, but, like, in the same way that social media became addictive and took over and maybe is not the best thing, AI companions are are real. This is happening.
00:54:39 · Joe Heitzeberg, Luke Harries
[00:54:39] S1: because the voice emotional response is so adapting to me and engaging Yeah. It's it's it's gonna lead to, like, the few things. One is this uptick in the usage, I believe Yeah. That once you experience that, there's no going back. And therefore, for this case of, like, chess education or anything, it's gonna be that much deeper and better. And then two is, like, this hard to predict, but, like, in the same way that social media became addictive and took over and maybe is not the best thing, AI companions are are real. This is happening. [00:55:10] S0: What's what's interesting is I would argue at the moment, AI is the only modality that can actually make you feel something. Yeah. So it can, like, really make you laugh. Yeah. It can make you cry. It can make you scared. The... If... I'm not sure if you've heard of any of our ASMR voices, but they happily give you a feel on your neck. But let's... I don't have that yet for AI poetry, AI short stories, AI images. Images. I think that will come. But Yeah. That... That's very cool. And, yeah, it's just going to get better, better, and better. And there's a... Yes. Yeah. [00:55:43] S1: Fascinating. Fun. I'm sure you've played with the music products, the sound generators. [00:55:48] S0: Yes. [00:55:48] S1: I don't know if that's an area that you guys have... I'm sure you've thought about it. Yeah. Endless entertainment on those, of course, which is I think most of the consumption must be just personal fun and friends. But I've tried to use those systems to actually just create dialogue. Have you done this?
00:55:48 · Joe Heitzeberg, Luke Harries
[00:55:48] S1: I don't know if that's an area that you guys have... I'm sure you've thought about it. Yeah. Endless entertainment on those, of course, which is I think most of the consumption must be just personal fun and friends. But I've tried to use those systems to actually just create dialogue. Have you done this? [00:56:04] S0: No. I haven't done that. What what have you done? [00:56:06] S1: So instead of prompting for music, prompt... And be very specific in your prompt, like, stand up comedy routine [00:56:12] S0: Yeah. [00:56:13] S1: Small club, microphone, crowd noise, you know, and have it try to generate comedy.