Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth
01:32:18 · Lenny Rachitsky, Fiona Fung
[01:32:18] S0: This is an awesome pick. I love local business picks, even big bonus points for that. And by the way, this travel you're doing, just for folks that may not know this, there's these Code with Claude events that are happening all over the world. I went to the one in SF, there's one in London, you're going to one in Tokyo. Is that the end of it or is there more after that? [01:32:36] S1: Tokyo is... So yeah, that's next week and that's the last leg of the trip. [01:32:42] S0: Okay. And then probably more in the future. So cool. I love that that's happening. Okay, two more questions. Do you have a favorite life motto that you find yourself coming back to often in work or in life? [01:32:51] S1: Ooh. So in work, I really love to remind folks, keep it simple. What is the thing that you're really trying to do well and focus on that? Keep it simple because I think sometimes we could overthink. So it's always a good mantra to think about that. And then in life, probably in a world where you can be anything, be kind. [01:33:14] S0: I love that one. We were at a Montessori school tour and that's what the teacher had up on the wall. [01:33:21] S1: We have so many things going on that you never know what's going on in someone else's life and that one small act of kindness can make the biggest difference. For me actually that was when... Do you remember COVID? We were all working from home during the COVID- [01:33:37] S0: How could I forget?
01:33:37 · Lenny Rachitsky, Fiona Fung
[01:33:37] S0: How could I forget? [01:33:40] S1: It's just always really struck with me because I was in these back to back meetings and one-on-ones are really important to me because actually that time is usually also really important for the other person. It's something that they've been looking to. They might have things discussed. I always really prioritize one-on-ones, but during that time, my grandmother wasn't doing well and she was in a home in Canada because of COVID I couldn't go visit and actually even my aunt and mom couldn't go visit and it was just very rare of if they have a helper that can help, we could do FaceTime, but you never know what time that is going to be because there's so many people that take care and all of a sudden I get a message from my aunt going, "Grandma can FaceTime at 12:00 PM today." I'm like, "Oh, no, there's this one-on-one that I've been mean to have." And I just messaged my report to say, "I'm really, really sorry. It's the last minute. Is it okay to..." And I know now when I say it doesn't seem like it's a big thing because it's like... But to me, it's always really important to keep. But he was like, "Yeah, totally. No problem at all." And for me, that was just a small after kindness and he totally didn't make it into big deal, but that made the biggest difference to me that I got to say hi to my grandmother on FaceTime.
01:34:56 · Lenny Rachitsky, Fiona Fung
[01:34:56] S0: I love that. Okay, final question. So Boris Cherny, when I asked him about you, when he had this interesting insight where he said in very important meetings, you can often hear Fiona, you can hear the click-clack of Fiona knitting in the background. Maybe talk about just what's going on there and what are a couple of things you knitted recently. [01:35:18] S1: Oh, my gosh. Well, I knitted this top recently. [01:35:22] S0: You make your own clothing. Unreal. This is very meta for Claude Code building itself. [01:35:31] S1: Actually, there's this whole fun thing I think between knitting and programming because it's like two stitches knit and a pearl. So zero and one. And anyway, so many concepts of stacks and queues you actually could... I'm kind of a compiler. I'm kind of generating an executable when I knit. Yeah, actually it was my grandma that taught me to knit when I was eight. I mentioned her and I going to that yarn shop. And so every time I knit, I think of her, but I always like to multitask as you could see like, yeah, kick off multiple agents. And so anytime I'm sitting and because I practice enough and got proficient at it, I don't have to look at what I'm doing. So it's almost like how you know sometimes people have like fidget spinners and such. Knitting is just... So anytime I'm sitting still, I'm like, "Oh, this is time to generate more knitting executable." Because I got so much yarn that if I don't do this, I might have a slight yarn addiction problem.
01:35:31 · Fiona Fung, Lenny Rachitsky
[01:35:31] S1: Actually, there's this whole fun thing I think between knitting and programming because it's like two stitches knit and a pearl. So zero and one. And anyway, so many concepts of stacks and queues you actually could... I'm kind of a compiler. I'm kind of generating an executable when I knit. Yeah, actually it was my grandma that taught me to knit when I was eight. I mentioned her and I going to that yarn shop. And so every time I knit, I think of her, but I always like to multitask as you could see like, yeah, kick off multiple agents. And so anytime I'm sitting and because I practice enough and got proficient at it, I don't have to look at what I'm doing. So it's almost like how you know sometimes people have like fidget spinners and such. Knitting is just... So anytime I'm sitting still, I'm like, "Oh, this is time to generate more knitting executable." Because I got so much yarn that if I don't do this, I might have a slight yarn addiction problem. [01:36:28] S0: I love this. When I asked Boris what he would do when AGI hits, when we don't have to work, he said he's going to make me so... I'm guessing your answer would be just knit and make beautiful clothing. [01:36:38] S1: Oh, my gosh. My dream is to actually open up a yarn store in my grandmother's name- [01:36:42] S0: There we go. [01:36:43] S1: ...and create that community. [01:36:44] S0: Oh, wow. And then Cowork would help out you automate everything. [01:36:47] S1: That's great. Especially invoicing.
01:36:47 · Fiona Fung, Lenny Rachitsky
[01:36:47] S1: That's great. Especially invoicing. [01:36:50] S0: Oh, my God. Fiona, you're awesome. It's just incredible the work that you and your team are doing, just changing the world in such profound ways and it's clear why it's growing so fast. So good job. Good job over there. Thank you for making time for this. [01:37:07] S1: Well, I'm just really honestly lucky and humble that I get to work with such an amazing team. I know how lucky I am and I'm so grateful. But thanks a lot for having me on the podcast as well. This was a lot of fun. [01:37:20] S0: Two final questions. Where can folks find you online if you are online if they want to follow up on anything and how can listeners be useful to you? [01:37:26] S1: Ooh, so definitely I'm on LinkedIn and I'm sure most people have shared this already, but would love feedback of what's going well, what's not going well, also any latent demand that you are all using that might be interesting use cases. I had a friend message me recently to go, "Oh, I'm using Claude to help me generate a building plan for my shed." And he actually showed me his whole shed, which was cool. So would love to hear about that. And then yeah, maybe also we talked about reaching out across. So there's someone, whether a small business that you love or someone that you feel like hasn't... As all the listeners are super AI pilled, maybe take a time to hold somebody's hand to show what AI might be able to help them with.
01:37:26 · Fiona Fung, Lenny Rachitsky
[01:37:26] S1: Ooh, so definitely I'm on LinkedIn and I'm sure most people have shared this already, but would love feedback of what's going well, what's not going well, also any latent demand that you are all using that might be interesting use cases. I had a friend message me recently to go, "Oh, I'm using Claude to help me generate a building plan for my shed." And he actually showed me his whole shed, which was cool. So would love to hear about that. And then yeah, maybe also we talked about reaching out across. So there's someone, whether a small business that you love or someone that you feel like hasn't... As all the listeners are super AI pilled, maybe take a time to hold somebody's hand to show what AI might be able to help them with. [01:38:11] S0: Such a good one. That is such a good answer to this question, especially coming from you. Fiona, this was awesome. Thank you so much for being here. [01:38:19] S1: Thanks so much for having me, Lenny. [01:38:20] S0: Bye everyone. Thank you so much for listening. If you found this valuable, you can subscribe to the show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Also, please consider giving us a rating or leaving a review as that really helps other listeners find the podcast. You can find all past episodes or learn more about the show at lennyspodcast.com. See you in the next episode.