00:07:31 · Dylan Field, Molly O'Shea
[00:07:31] S1: The content that we're doing is [00:07:33] S0: so much. Yeah. [00:07:34] S1: The content on all the tracks are amazing, and we've had such incredible speakers and, like, at legendary times too. Actually, one of my favorite ones was Jesper from Teenage Engineering. I don't know if you saw that one. No. I got to interview him. And yeah, he is a character. Definitely watch that one later. [00:07:54] S0: Okay. Yeah. Are there any speakers this year you're excited about? [00:07:57] S1: So, so many speakers that I'm excited about, but two that I'm, like, off the wall excited about. One is Holly Herndon. She's a total visionary artist who I think people don't appreciate, like, how far ahead she sees things. You know, she was into very specific, like, quirky ways of using NFTs or we don't recall it then. Early on, she open sourced her voice with AI early on. You know, this is back in, like, 2021 or something, 2020. I mean, it's just like the the time scale that she's operating on is different than the rest of us. Yeah. Grant Sanderson, three blue and brown on YouTube, is another person that I think will give a great talk, and I can't wait to watch it. He's someone that I've been following for a long time and lucky to call a friend. And he does these explainer videos for math that are just incredible and really uses graphics and design to be really craft forward in his explanations. And he puts so much care into them and just has been a teacher for so many to Is this [00:09:07] S0: why you're vibe mathing? That's just for fun. What does that mean?
00:09:07 · Molly O'Shea, Dylan Field
[00:09:07] S0: why you're vibe mathing? That's just for fun. What does that mean? [00:09:12] S1: It's just a form of elm psychosis, you until it's not, but we'll I think that the models are really decent at math, pure math. And it's a bit of an antidote to the non verifiable domains that I'm usually in. So for Figma, mean, it's all vibes, right? Like you're trying to figure out sometimes it's very clear, Okay, like literally you didn't center the div, like learn to center divs AI. But I think more often, it's more like, Okay, well actually you're giving a lot of styles that are very similar here. You're not as broad in your range as you could be if an LM provider is asking us for feedback or we're trying to steer it. And the evals were running on stuff we're doing, stuff others are doing Like a lot of it is inherently non verifiable. It's like got to be human judge at the end of the day. And you can set up more automatic methods for that, but you still have that human intent. Whereas formal domains like math, I mean, that's as formal as it gets if you set up the formal systems correctly, which are really easy to mess up. And I think it's kind of just a nice anecdote in contrast to Figma experience. [00:10:28] S0: I love that. It's very unexpected. So you're talking about some of the speakers. Were there anybody else that you're excited about? [00:10:37] S1: There's so many. I think that well, I'm in keynote brain right now. [00:10:41] S0: Yeah.
00:10:41 · Molly O'Shea, Dylan Field
[00:10:41] S0: Yeah. [00:10:42] S1: And I think the keynote will be really awesome. So we're gonna have a bunch of Figmates that are showing just incredible stuff. [00:10:49] S0: I know. I love that. It's like we were start we started by the big sign, and then all of a sudden you got swarmed. [00:10:54] S1: Oh, well, are all people I see all the time. Yeah. We have a great team. Actually, Ian, who you met. I was in a class in my senior year of high school. We were in a, real analysis class together, and since where I first met him. And then he randomly applied to Figma at some point, and didn't even tell me. Was like, why didn't you tell me? And I found out. As soon as I found out, I'm like, This is the smartest guy I've ever One of the smartest people I've ever met. Please, can we get him in? [00:11:21] S0: Oh, my God. [00:11:21] S1: He still went through the full loop, of course. [00:11:22] S0: Shout out to Ian. All right, so we're gonna head over and sit down for the Pantone Lounge. [00:11:28] S1: Do it. [00:11:29] S0: It's super exclusive. There's a [00:11:32] S1: Just two of us. [00:11:33] S0: Yeah. Alright. Dylan Field, we are in the Pantone Lounge. [00:11:37] S1: We're in the Pantone Lounge. We made it through. [00:11:39] S0: We made it through the crazy crowd who was screaming your name and taking pictures. [00:11:44] S1: They exaggerated a little bit. Was just a great group out there. So I'm glad you got to be there. [00:11:49] S0: So how did you convince all of them or their bosses that they should take the day off?
00:11:49 · Molly O'Shea, Dylan Field
[00:11:49] S0: So how did you convince all of them or their bosses that they should take the day off? [00:11:54] S1: I think if you convince them and their bosses to come, it helps. So that's more of, I think, what's happening. [00:12:01] S0: So they're all having a lot of fun. Because we're in the Pantone Lounge, I wanna ask you a very pressing question. Okay. What is your favorite color? I'm not gonna ask about ref number. Purple? [00:12:14] S1: Yeah. I'm a purple guy, but purple has a broad range. Mhmm. And so it's very hard to define exactly where in purple. I kinda like the range. You know? And sometimes it's, like, more of a reddish purple, something more bluish. But yeah, I I also think it's amazing when people are great at color theory. I am not. No. I I know enough to know that I'm not amazing at color theory, but I have the utmost respect for those that are. [00:12:42] S0: You haven't gotten your color waves checked. Do know that's a good thing too? [00:12:47] S1: Like, if I'm, what, tetrachromatic or something [00:12:49] S0: like Like, if you're like, it's a I think it's, like, a Korean thing where they, like, color theory you and, like, see what your aura is and what colors you should be wearing. [00:12:57] S1: Are yours? [00:12:58] S0: No. I don't think so. [00:13:00] S1: But no. I mean, think that, composition and color, it's, like, a real skill. And, a bunch of people really try and train for this, and some people have got it to the degree that others don't, and it's amazing when you find them.
00:13:00 · Dylan Field, Molly O'Shea
[00:13:00] S1: But no. I mean, think that, composition and color, it's, like, a real skill. And, a bunch of people really try and train for this, and some people have got it to the degree that others don't, and it's amazing when you find them. [00:13:16] S0: We're gonna take it even more serious. Okay? You were recently on Lafayette. [00:13:22] S1: Oh, yeah. [00:13:23] S0: You made it to game three. You're now the star of the show. Dylan, how does it feel to be killed on the first try? [00:13:31] S1: To be specific, so there's game one where I was killed by the Mafia the first night. Mhmm. Game two where I was the Mafia, and definitely did not play my best game. I'll be real. And then game three made a decent argument, but not my best work either and got killed by the village first night. And so, yeah, not the best showing, but it was a lot of fun. [00:13:53] S0: Mhmm. [00:13:54] S1: And I was rewatching the third episode and I think the star is actually Palmer. Yeah. Until the very end when he smirks, sorry, spoilers for your listeners, but at the very end he kind of smirks when he's like almost one. That was the first time I was going, Oh, I would have figured it out. The other two, I would have figured out because they had tells. But Palmer, there was like nothing. He was just the same energy throughout. So I was pretty wowed watching it. [00:14:22] S0: What have you learned about human psychology from that?
00:14:22 · Molly O'Shea, Dylan Field
[00:14:22] S0: What have you learned about human psychology from that? [00:14:28] S1: From Mafia? I I I think there's not much to learn about human psychology from Mafia. I played a decent amount of Mafia or Werewolf, you know, same game People have religious wars around what to call it. But, yeah, I think that, you know, probably that people's attention spans are short, that you can diverge and kinda divert conversation. At some point, I stopped playing the game actually Mhmm. Because I figured out that it was a lose lose. Either you actually do well and you've, like, lost because people afterwards oftentimes are like, how could you? I trusted you. Just like, feel terrible. Or you've, like, literally lost like I did at those games. And so I I prefer to moderate and definitely out of practice, but it's a fun one. [00:15:20] S0: It's super fun. [00:15:21] S1: And it was really cool that Solana did that. I think he's had that vision for a long time, and I just give him all the credit for, like, making it happen that way. Totally. I think more people gotta do that. They just gotta take a big risk and a big swing and just go for it.