01:20:41 · Ty Morse, Baiju Bhatt
[01:20:41] S0: So there's two things there. One is Jeff Bezos' idea of, like, work life harmony, where he he talked talked about, you know, you don't really want balance. Like, there's no, like, give or take. You really want something where the energy that you get from work and the thing that you're doing, you know, comes home and, like, has the same sort of vibe with the family. But also the fact that you have this very stable position in your house makes it so you can go to work with confidence and stuff. But then the other thing too is he's got this idea of like the 10AM meeting. And so if it's something... Like big decisions. Right? Like executives, the top executives at companies are basically paid to have a few right ideas or a few right decisions every year. And like Warren Buffett would famously say that probably almost all of Berkshire's growth over time has been related to maybe like 15 decisions he's made over the last sixty or seventy years. [01:21:31] S1: Yeah. [01:21:31] S0: Do you ever kind of decide, you know, it's three, four, 5PM, and you could have... There's some big decision that you need to make, but you're like, nope. I'm gonna pull that off or hold that off until the next morning
01:21:31 · Ty Morse, Baiju Bhatt
[01:21:31] S0: Do you ever kind of decide, you know, it's three, four, 5PM, and you could have... There's some big decision that you need to make, but you're like, nope. I'm gonna pull that off or hold that off until the next morning [01:21:43] S1: to to decide? I do that all the time. I mean, there's, like, a really simple thing. Right? You can just sleep on it a little bit. Yeah. Actually, I was was working on some stuff late last night. So, like, I was working on it from, like, kids went to sleep. My wife also went to sleep kind of early. It's, sitting around, like, reading stuff, and thinking about work stuff. And then I was like, you know what? I'm just gonna fall asleep. I'm gonna, like, keep thinking about it, and then I'll actually just, like, share my thoughts in the morning as opposed to, like, word vomiting over a document at nighttime. Yeah. I think that's really important. And I think also kind of coming back to, like, the pre... Like, my brain knows how to operate in the pre phone era. Yep. And it that kind of feels analogous to that. Right? Like, you don't have to do it just because you have the buttons that you could press to do it right now. Doesn't mean you have to do it right now. Like, you can actually think about a little bit more, see if you still feel that strongly about it in the morning, see if your ideas shifted a little bit. And, you know, oftentimes it doesn't shift at all. But you gave yourself some [01:22:51] S0: time to decide whether, you know, have it percolate.
01:22:51 · Ty Morse, Baiju Bhatt
[01:22:51] S0: time to decide whether, you know, have it percolate. [01:22:53] S1: Yeah. Have it percolate. Interesting. Slow form thinking is important. [01:22:56] S0: Yeah. How often are your decisions kind of because you let that percolate, the creativity did spark and you were able to make a slightly different decision that was a better one? [01:23:04] S1: Often. We're like, yeah, those two things, but also this other one. Like, that's often the form it takes on. Yep. And also creativity, I kind of think is... I've said this before, but, like, I've never found it possible to sit down with a sheet of paper and be like, now I'm going to be creative. You know? Like, this is not how it works. [01:23:26] S0: You're just out for a walk or something and you... Something pops into your head and you're like, I need to write this down or
01:23:26 · Ty Morse, Baiju Bhatt
[01:23:26] S0: You're just out for a walk or something and you... Something pops into your head and you're like, I need to write this down or [01:23:31] S1: Yeah. I need to, like, action this right now before I forget about it. But more generally speaking, my my view is that the universe gives you creative ideas kind of at its own pace. The universe has its own clock where like it will give you a creative idea when it so deems that you deserve said creative idea. And so you kind of like, you need to be open to receiving them when they are but you can't really force them. There's some ways you kind of can force them. You can like load your brain up with a bunch of context and like let it noodle it for a while. I find that actually, and I do less of it these days, but I should probably do more of it. But I used to really love the idea of, like, being in a bunch of intensive meetings and, like, loading my brain up with a bunch of thoughts and being like, I'll see you guys in an hour. I'm gonna go for a jog. And running is, like, actually a massive accelerant on creativity. Interesting. Because it just... When you hit that flow state of running... Like, running requires you to be in that flow state. [01:24:34] S0: Yeah. It forces you to basically tune out everything else and just focus on putting one foot in front of the
01:24:34 · Ty Morse, Baiju Bhatt
[01:24:34] S0: Yeah. It forces you to basically tune out everything else and just focus on putting one foot in front of the [01:24:40] S1: other. And the ideas that are in your head in my sort of simplistic way of thinking about it, they almost, like, line up in a line, and you can pick them. You put them back. Where if you're, like, you know, drinking a bunch of coffee and, like, you know, getting the nerd sweats or whatever, like, those ideas are all mushed together. [01:25:00] S0: Let's end it on what's the hardest thing you've ever come. [01:25:04] S1: Being overweight. I was very overweight as a kid. And when I was in tenth grade, I got teased from my weight and I took it super personally and I proceeded to like at the same time I grew my hair out. I think I weighed this is a long time ago I think I weighed like two ten [01:25:29] S0: but this was as a kid. As a kid. [01:25:32] S1: Yeah. And I got all the way down to like one forty. I think I got into the high one thirties. I lost close to a third of my body weight.