01:17:06 · Ty Morse, Baiju Bhatt
[01:17:06] S0: Yeah. [01:17:06] S1: And I wanna win the games, but sometimes I'll lose them. And sometimes I'll be on days where I'm like, man, I just like, you know, won five in a row or something like that. And then the other days where I, like, lost five in a row and I'm like, no. It kinda sucked. But the end of the I'm like, well, I'll just do it again. Or if I feel really salty about the fact that I lost a bunch, then I'll spend a little bit more time and, like, think about it and, like, try to, like, play again relatively soon. [01:17:32] S0: You talked a little bit about like goblin mode and some founders will go into goblin mode for maybe even years at a time where they're just completely locked in to the detriment of, you know, their family relationships or their like health or or all these other factors. But I think in order... For for most of the people that I've seen, in order to stay winning and, like, stay in the game, you kind of eventually have to go... Like, maybe the early stages of a company, you have to goblin mode it. Mhmm. But then eventually it flips back to you need to prioritize some of these other things like Pavel Durov did start working out. Brian Chesky works out a bunch. Like, you know, I think TBN talks... You know, John and Jordy love to talk with him about how much he's, like, lifting and what his, like, PRs are and [01:18:13] S1: stuff guys look like they work out too. [01:18:16] S0: Yeah. Super tall. They're super tall. John, I think, is like six four, six five.
01:18:16 · Ty Morse, Baiju Bhatt
[01:18:16] S0: Yeah. Super tall. They're super tall. John, I think, is like six four, six five. [01:18:21] S1: Yeah. I ran into them in LA. It was like at a hotel, and they were there. I was like, holy shit. You guys were that tall. [01:18:29] S0: Yep. How has your thinking kind of evolved over time on what you decide to prioritize so that you can basically just design your life to stay in the game for as long as possible without having, like, massive troughs of, like, sorrow and, you know, discomfort. Burnout. Yeah. Burnout.
01:18:46 · Baiju Bhatt
[01:18:46] S1: It's very different for me now. I have a family. I have three boys, and I have another one on the way right now. So I'm soon to be the father of four. And my boys are unbelievably fun and awesome and I love them more than I knew I had the capacity for love in my life. And so if any of them watch this in the future someday, I love you guys. And I make it a point to tell them I love them every day when I leave and every night before they go to bed. And I try to prioritize spending time with them like every day and it like kind of comes to a head right because tonight there's a meeting that I kind of want to have at 05:30 here But I I want to go home because I like want to exercise. I've got my workout from 05:30 to 06:30. And then right after that, I'll have dinner with my family and then I'll hang out my kids, you know, probably from like seven to eight ish before they go to sleep and like I'm not going to compromise on that like it's not the right thing for me to do as a human being regardless of what's going on here And that's just harder, right? But at the same time, know, rewind the clock ten years ago, like I was in the office most days until nine and I'd go home and I'd hang out with my wife for a little while and I'd fall asleep and I'd wake up at seven and I'd be back in the office at eight. And that was like that was just normal course of operating and I'd actually work out every day at lunchtime. That was my routine. And then oftentimes I'd be like pretty sweaty for the rest of the day and just be like, yeah. You got a problem with that?
01:20:41 · Ty Morse, Baiju Bhatt
[01:20:41] S0: So there's two things there. One is Jeff Bezos' idea of, like, work life harmony, where he he talked talked about, you know, you don't really want balance. Like, there's no, like, give or take. You really want something where the energy that you get from work and the thing that you're doing, you know, comes home and, like, has the same sort of vibe with the family. But also the fact that you have this very stable position in your house makes it so you can go to work with confidence and stuff. But then the other thing too is he's got this idea of like the 10AM meeting. And so if it's something... Like big decisions. Right? Like executives, the top executives at companies are basically paid to have a few right ideas or a few right decisions every year. And like Warren Buffett would famously say that probably almost all of Berkshire's growth over time has been related to maybe like 15 decisions he's made over the last sixty or seventy years. [01:21:31] S1: Yeah. [01:21:31] S0: Do you ever kind of decide, you know, it's three, four, 5PM, and you could have... There's some big decision that you need to make, but you're like, nope. I'm gonna pull that off or hold that off until the next morning
01:21:31 · Ty Morse, Baiju Bhatt
[01:21:31] S0: Do you ever kind of decide, you know, it's three, four, 5PM, and you could have... There's some big decision that you need to make, but you're like, nope. I'm gonna pull that off or hold that off until the next morning [01:21:43] S1: to to decide? I do that all the time. I mean, there's, like, a really simple thing. Right? You can just sleep on it a little bit. Yeah. Actually, I was was working on some stuff late last night. So, like, I was working on it from, like, kids went to sleep. My wife also went to sleep kind of early. It's, sitting around, like, reading stuff, and thinking about work stuff. And then I was like, you know what? I'm just gonna fall asleep. I'm gonna, like, keep thinking about it, and then I'll actually just, like, share my thoughts in the morning as opposed to, like, word vomiting over a document at nighttime. Yeah. I think that's really important. And I think also kind of coming back to, like, the pre... Like, my brain knows how to operate in the pre phone era. Yep. And it that kind of feels analogous to that. Right? Like, you don't have to do it just because you have the buttons that you could press to do it right now. Doesn't mean you have to do it right now. Like, you can actually think about a little bit more, see if you still feel that strongly about it in the morning, see if your ideas shifted a little bit. And, you know, oftentimes it doesn't shift at all. But you gave yourself some [01:22:51] S0: time to decide whether, you know, have it percolate.
01:22:51 · Ty Morse, Baiju Bhatt
[01:22:51] S0: time to decide whether, you know, have it percolate. [01:22:53] S1: Yeah. Have it percolate. Interesting. Slow form thinking is important. [01:22:56] S0: Yeah. How often are your decisions kind of because you let that percolate, the creativity did spark and you were able to make a slightly different decision that was a better one? [01:23:04] S1: Often. We're like, yeah, those two things, but also this other one. Like, that's often the form it takes on. Yep. And also creativity, I kind of think is... I've said this before, but, like, I've never found it possible to sit down with a sheet of paper and be like, now I'm going to be creative. You know? Like, this is not how it works. [01:23:26] S0: You're just out for a walk or something and you... Something pops into your head and you're like, I need to write this down or