00:18:00 · Ty Morse, Baiju Bhatt
[00:18:00] S0: Right? Like marrying them together and Yeah. Yeah. [00:18:03] S1: And so that sort of drew me towards, like, I wanna build physical things. I know how to build digital things. What are... What's like a physical thing that I've always wanted to build? I've always loved cars, and I've... This is back when I was building my very first car over COVID. I was like, I really wanna get into classic cars. Like, I'd like to own some classic cars someday. So how am I gonna do this? And my little, you know, sort of creator brain was like, oh, I know what the way to do this is. I'll build a car from scratch, and then I'll understand how all the different pieces of it work so that then if I want to, you know, get into classic cars, I'll really understand what's going on. And so I did. And so it took, probably took, like, six to nine months to go from, like, box of parts to something that I could drives? [00:18:57] S0: Kinda. Mean, I could creaks? [00:18:59] S1: Yeah. Squeaks and creaks like a rolling chassis that you can turn on, and you can, like, drive it down the driveway and drive it back. That was freaking cool, man. Do you wanna see it? [00:19:10] S0: I do wanna see it. [00:19:11] S1: Can I show you? Alright. Check it out. Here's how it started literally as a box. [00:19:18] S0: Okay. In a truck. Yeah. [00:19:19] S1: Nice. In a truck. [00:19:20] S0: And that's the full car, but just in a box form? Yeah. Like like this? Mhmm. [00:19:27] S1: And it got the first version of it kind of put all the pieces together on the frame. [00:19:34] S0: And how long did that take?
00:19:34 · Ty Morse, Baiju Bhatt
[00:19:34] S0: And how long did that take? [00:19:35] S1: That that didn't take more than, like, a couple of weeks, I think. And I'll just... I'll I'll show you the... I'll send you some pictures later on. K. But here's the finished version of it. Beautiful. [00:19:44] S0: Yeah. Is it driving? [00:19:46] S1: Yeah. It is. Back it up. [00:19:48] S0: There we go. [00:19:49] S1: So I didn't paint the thing. I didn't do any of the upholstery. There's like there's a whole there's, like, there's the artistry of it, right, which is, like, how do you paint a car like this? Well, you don't wanna fuck around and find out in painting a car because you'll just do a terrible job. Like, you wanna have somebody that's done a bunch of time that has, like, that has, like, kind of the the tactile feel for it. There's a... There's an old design word for it. Let me see if I can remember it right now. I think it's called, like, finger spitzingafel, which is Hear me? The finger feel. Right? It's like if you put your hands on it, does it feel right to the human touch? Yeah. You want that with dudes that are, like, doing paint or upholstery or any of the sort of, like, you can't mess it up things. [00:20:36] S0: Yeah. [00:20:38] S1: Which is why it looks good. [00:20:42] S0: What kind of held you back from starting this maybe five or ten years earlier and deciding to just go for it? Like, was it just COVID and you have lots of time to think to yourself when nothing's happening and you think, fuck it. I'm gonna build a car.
00:20:42 · Ty Morse, Baiju Bhatt
[00:20:42] S0: What kind of held you back from starting this maybe five or ten years earlier and deciding to just go for it? Like, was it just COVID and you have lots of time to think to yourself when nothing's happening and you think, fuck it. I'm gonna build a car. [00:20:56] S1: Well, the five to ten years leading up to it, I'd been very busy. Yes. And I'd I'd had a love of cars during that time. I think, like, the impetus for doing it was I was cramped up in my house. And, I mean, I was, like, working over COVID. Was, like, working... I mean, the days and weeks blur together. There were, twelve hour days, like, week after week. It's, like, I'm on a call on like a Saturday afternoon. I'm like, what day of the week is it? Like, it the weekend or is it the weekday? There was a I need an outlet. Like, I need something that's not just work. Yep. That's not that problem space where I can still let that sort of like creative, you know, almost frenetic energy from like my monkey brain. Like I need to project it somewhere Creation energy. Exactly. Like I need to project it somewhere else. And so I think that's kind of what what was the inspiration for. I mean, also, like, let's be real, like, ten years before I was dead broke. Like, I don't have money. Like, I... The idea of, like, you know, it's like, well, why don't I build a car for fun? It's like, well, I have this car that I drive that's kinda broken, and I can't really afford to fix it.
00:22:10 · Ty Morse, Baiju Bhatt
[00:22:10] S0: Yeah. So I'm always interested in, like, what made people start. Like, what made people fundamentally shift what they were doing, you know, years in advance to one day they just decide to take some other direction. Mhmm. Because it's always a... I think for a long time, you're kind of building something up in your mind, and then there's some domino that just kinda like knocks over and Yeah. You suddenly go... Like, for this, like, why did I not start a podcast six months earlier [00:22:34] S1: or another company? That's a good question. [00:22:37] S0: The answer was I actually did start a podcast six months earlier and no one said yes to an interview. So I just did it myself. Like, I just researched founders and there was like another version of Relentless prior to Relentless where I, you know, spent two two weeks researching someone and then basically do like a Founders podcast episode on them. Only ended up doing two episodes. And on my third, I decided to create a, like, Airbnb themed product instead of actually doing an episode on Brian Chesky. [00:23:04] S1: Can I tell you I love that hustle? Yeah. Like, I just freaking love that. [00:23:08] S0: Do you wanna see my product from Airbnb? [00:23:10] S1: I would love to. Yeah. Show me. [00:23:11] S0: So I I tried to record the interview, like, I think it was like 14 different times. And I just it just felt like the wrong way to tell the story. And so instead of doing that, I created. [00:23:29] S1: Dude, you could have made him look a little better than this. We'll we'll know
00:23:29 · Baiju Bhatt, Ty Morse
[00:23:29] S1: Dude, you could have made him look a little better than this. We'll we'll know [00:23:33] S0: for next time. This [00:23:35] S1: is cool, though. This is really cool. Sorry. I'm getting fixated on how the guy looks. He is a handsome dude. [00:23:41] S0: Yeah. He is a handsome dude. He works out [00:23:43] S1: a lot. Yeah. Coming back to this theme of working out a lot. [00:23:47] S0: Do you think all great founders will work out in the future? [00:23:52] S1: No. Okay. Because I think it's possible to be a great founder and just spend like a decade in goblin mode. Fair. Just like subsisting on the sheer sort of power that comes from the chemical bonds that hold ramen together. Fair. Yeah. There's a meme that I saw which is like the hair patterns for founders at different stages. Right? It's like seed stage, you've got a full ahead of hair. Series a, you're starting to go a little bald. Series b, it's a big old donut hole. Series c, there's like nothing there. And then like pre IPO, all of a sudden there's a full head of hair. Post IPO, there's a full head of hair. [00:24:34] S0: Yeah. I haven't noticed this. I think that was the the Pavel Durov situation. [00:24:39] S1: Oh, was it? [00:24:39] S0: Uh-huh. Yeah. But with with him, he was like, I don't think Putin was super happy with him. So that that that may cause a little bit of hair loss. [00:24:49] S1: That would cause some hair loss for sure.
00:24:49 · Baiju Bhatt, Ty Morse
[00:24:49] S1: That would cause some hair loss for sure. [00:24:51] S0: You know, there's been these different evolutions of SpaceX. First, it was Elon wanted to do the first greenhouse on Mars, and then he tried to buy rockets, and he couldn't buy the rockets. So he decided to build them himself. [00:25:02] S1: The ICBM to Mars? I plant in the ICBM. It's a cool idea.