Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth
00:33:13 · Lenny Rachitsky, Zevi Arnovitz
[00:33:13] S0: What I'm feeling and hearing is that planning work that you did, that's the stuff that Lovable, Bolt, and would you put Replit in that bucket too? [00:33:21] S1: Yeah, for sure. Lovable, Bolt, Replit, Base44. [00:33:21] S0: v0. [00:33:24] S1: Yeah, v0, all same bucket. [00:33:27] S0: So essentially, they're doing that planning for you. And as you said, they're very opinionated. They try to make it easy. So it's just like, "Here's how to do it. Here's the way we think is best for people." And what you're saying is once you're trying to get a little more serious about it or want to go in a different direction, you don't have the power to change how they plan. So Cursor lets you do that. [00:33:49] S1: Yeah, I don't want this to come out like I'm badmouthing them. Base44, let's say. [00:33:53] S0: No, absolutely. [00:33:53] S1: Yeah. Base44 does an amazing job at basically taking all the complex guesswork out of building product and just allows you to just go with the vibes and build, but it will do sign in with Google for you and it will do a database, but then you don't have decisions on what database am I using. Do I need sign in with Google this way or another way? It would just do it out of the box. So that's basically the trade-off there. [00:34:16] S0: Awesome. Shout out Maor, the founder of Base44. [00:34:20] S1: Yeah. Maor Shlomo. Yeah. He's amazing.
00:34:20 · Zevi Arnovitz, Lenny Rachitsky
[00:34:20] S1: Yeah. Maor Shlomo. Yeah. He's amazing. [00:34:23] S0: Okay. I just love how this is like the way you're like flinging, what's the word? Slinging models like Gemini 3 for frontend. I love that you've never written any code and you're just like, "Cool, use Gemini for this and Claude for this. And I'm just working on Cursor, talking to this CTO, helping you build stuff and build significant product."
00:34:48 · Zevi Arnovitz
[00:34:48] S1: Yeah. We just live in the craziest of times where basically the world changes once a week, it feels like. And there is just no boundaries. You can use all of these just on your regular MacBook or regular laptop. And I have these moments, I call them time machine moments, which is basically this week, for instance, I was prepping for the podcast using Claude with a project. I was building, I was fully localizing StudyMate from Hebrew to English, which I did in two days, which would probably take a dev team weeks. And I was building a personal site, which went from no domain, no nothing, to live on a domain within an hour and a half. And I was doing all three of these in parallel. And there was a point where basically all three of the agents were running, so I didn't have anything to do. I just had to let them think, and these are the time machine moments where I feel like I was in the future and I just stick my head out of the time machine and whoever's next to me, at the moment it was my wife, I'll just say, "We live in the future." And she'll be like, "Huh, what?" And I'll be like, "No, no, don't worry about it." But it's just basically so crazy that all these things are just an API away. You can use anything. So I think it's an awesome time to be curious and optimistic and hardworking.
00:36:08 · Lenny Rachitsky, Zevi Arnovitz
[00:36:08] S0: These are my favorite kinds of podcast guests. People that are living in the future, figuring out all these things and then are just kind of come back, as you said, poke your head out of the rocket ship and just like, "Hey, here's this thing that I figured out. Here's where we're going." [00:36:20] S1: Yeah, best time to be alive. So awesome. So it looks like it's finished. So now what we're going to do is we're going to run the app locally and we'll be able to see what Composer ended up building and we're going to see if anything else is needed on our end to maybe do some manual review. Does that sound good? [00:36:42] S0: Sounds great. And I love, that was like, I don't know, a few minutes where if it was a human engineer, it'd be like days, maybe a week for work. [00:36:49] S1: For sure. Yeah, for sure. No, Composer like the one thing is it's just so, so blazing fast, keeps you in flow. So yeah, full features take minutes. [00:37:00] S0: And it probably costs a couple bucks in AI credits. [00:37:04] S1: I don't even look. I used to be so stingy about paying for products and now I'm just basically, I look at it all as tuition, as stuff that I'm paying for learning. So I don't know how much it costs, but it's definitely worth it. [00:37:18] S0: That explains why they're the fastest growing products in history. [00:37:21] S1: 100%.
00:37:21 · Zevi Arnovitz, Lenny Rachitsky
[00:37:21] S1: 100%. [00:37:23] S0: Your marketing website sets the tone for your brand and is the one touchpoint that every single one of your customers sees. In today's age, if you're still having a hard time making small changes and simple updates to it, you are doing something wrong. That is why so many companies from early stage startups to Fortune 500s, including companies like DoorDash, Zapier, Perplexity, and ElevenLabs turn to Framer, the website builder that turns your .com from a formality into a tool for growth. Framer works like your team's favorite design tool and comes with real-time collaboration, a robust CMS with everything you need for great SEO and advanced analytics that includes integrated AB testing. Changes to your Framer site go live to the web in seconds with a single click and without any help from engineering. Whether you want to launch a new site, test a few landing pages or migrate your full.com, Framer has programs for startups, scale-ups, and large enterprises to make going from idea to live site as easy and fast as possible. Learn how to turn your website into a growth engine from a framer expert or get started building for free today at framer.com/lenny, that's framer.com/lenny. Rules and restrictions may apply.
00:37:23 · Lenny Rachitsky, Zevi Arnovitz
[00:37:23] S0: Your marketing website sets the tone for your brand and is the one touchpoint that every single one of your customers sees. In today's age, if you're still having a hard time making small changes and simple updates to it, you are doing something wrong. That is why so many companies from early stage startups to Fortune 500s, including companies like DoorDash, Zapier, Perplexity, and ElevenLabs turn to Framer, the website builder that turns your .com from a formality into a tool for growth. Framer works like your team's favorite design tool and comes with real-time collaboration, a robust CMS with everything you need for great SEO and advanced analytics that includes integrated AB testing. Changes to your Framer site go live to the web in seconds with a single click and without any help from engineering. Whether you want to launch a new site, test a few landing pages or migrate your full.com, Framer has programs for startups, scale-ups, and large enterprises to make going from idea to live site as easy and fast as possible. Learn how to turn your website into a growth engine from a framer expert or get started building for free today at framer.com/lenny, that's framer.com/lenny. Rules and restrictions may apply. [00:38:33] S1: So now we have this feature, which basically we built and I can ask it to make some changes because it's running locally and once it's ready, I'll be able to ship it to users. So now the next phase after I've QA'd it and basically tested it manually, I'll have Claude review its own work. So what I'll do is I'll reopen Claude Code.