00:26:36 · S2
[00:26:36] S2: I think there's a lot of interesting kind of strings to pull on there. I think where I wanna kind of... What I wanna hear you articulate is, like, everyone kind of knows what American identity is. Right? Yep. Every... People kind of have a sense of, like, what UK identity is and Canadian identity. You can also argue it maybe declining in the same way. Yep. Do you think we need to move closer to some of those American values of free enterprise entrepreneurship, like anyone coming in and building something? Because I think in America, it's actually not, you know, building something off your own back and actually creating something is relatively high status, while in Australia, I don't think it really is.
00:27:15 · Charlie Gearside
[00:27:15] S0: No. Yeah. I think there's a lot of really impressive things about American culture. Obviously, there's a lot of, like, downsides to that level of breathlessness Yeah. Particularly when it comes to, like, safety nets and whatever. And I think what Australia's, like, social element egalitarian element is, like, a critical part of who we are. Yeah. That said, in Australia, we have a word for... Like, we... It's a slur against someone who, like, tries hard. You're a tryhard. Yeah. I mean, I think we're all tryhards at this table. Sorry, boys. But, like, I'm I'm I'm sort of proud to be a tryhard. And I think the unpicking of that mindset is, like, is, like, a critical part of it. Mhmm. But I I think there's signs that the generations coming through are, like, unafraid to sort of put themselves out there and, like, be ridiculed and be sort of brought brought back to the past.
00:28:14 · S2, Charlie Gearside
[00:28:14] S2: Well, I think a lot of that is actually creators. Right? Steven Bartlett just announced this, like, partnership with Stan Store, which is, like, essentially this platform that allows anyone to monetize them being a creator and like, 75,000 people on it. But he talked about how one of the biggest tailwinds of this Gen Z generation is literally wanting to work for themselves and wanting to be creators and, you know, earning a $100 a year from something they're passionate about. You know? Being an artist or whatever and and and monetizing your art through courses, etcetera, etcetera. And that, I think, is becoming a lot more popular. Yep. And people are increasingly wanting the freedom to choose. And I also think people are like now, especially with what happened in '22, they're recognizing that stable careers, quote unquote, aren't that stable. Like, you see [00:28:59] S0: it in the news all [00:29:00] S2: the time that big companies are doing so many layoffs. So I think this notion that Australians are told around what is a stable job, what is a stable path, and that stable job doesn't get you to buying a house even if you get promoted six times, you know, like it... [00:29:13] S0: Yeah. It's like the, you know, the the fire the fire way to get wealthy or [00:29:18] S2: the Yeah. [00:29:18] S0: Foot investigative... Yeah. Way to get wealthy. It's like, everyone's like, that's the safest way. Yeah. It's like, dude, that that relies on you having a job. Yeah. Like,
00:29:18 · Charlie Gearside, S2, Adam Miller
[00:29:18] S0: Foot investigative... Yeah. Way to get wealthy. It's like, everyone's like, that's the safest way. Yeah. It's like, dude, that that relies on you having a job. Yeah. Like, [00:29:26] S2: it's... But also with that job, like, you're never actually probably gonna be out or afford a house in the suburb that you wanna live in. Like, that's the reality if you wanna stay in Sydney. [00:29:35] S1: So you just mentioned before this, like, try hard culture, which gets a little bit cut down in Australia. What what do you think are, like, the, solutions to this? Like, what do we need to embrace instead? Is it embracing more weirdness, wackiness, people that are speaking louder? Like, what what does the media need to do as well in that?
00:29:57 · Charlie Gearside
[00:29:57] S0: The media is a really good point. I think... Yeah. I I think it's a really tough answer because it's it's, like, baked into our culture. Right? Probably goes, like, hundreds of years back, and it's probably linked to, like, British stiff upper lip kind of stuff. The the media stuff is a good one. Like, you look at the state of journalism in Australia and particularly, like, business journalism, it's like... Yeah. It's so much easier to tear something down to, like... Than to build it up. And I think a lot of what journalism is these days is essentially, like, peeking away at things. And I mean, because it's an awesome story. It's like a really interesting story, like, bringing someone down or, like, saying why something won't work or or whatever. And I think a lot of... In the Chernanbourne world of, like, modern journalism, it's like, that's just the easiest thing to do. And it really disappoints me when I... You know, you look at papers like The Fin that, like, are supposed to be business publications, and they'll blow smoke up, the backside of, like, the big end of town. Yeah. And then when you see people trying to get off the off the ground, like, the way that they treat startups is with, like, thinly veiled disdain a lot of the time. Yeah. I think the media has... And our our own consumption habits is a huge factor in that.
00:31:33 · Adam Miller
[00:31:33] S1: I wonder if it's not just about changing existing journalism, but it's about countering that with just more optimism from the entrepreneurs and creators. Because in America... So they don't have the problem as bad. But there is still this problem where, like, any organization that becomes a big media company, whether it's TechCrunch or the information, or, like, New York Times stuff, like, there's a lot of anti tech sentiment there too, but it's counted by this huge barrage of people on Twitter Yeah. That have this sort of techno optimistic media platform and all these individuals with big voices, which we don't really have in Australia as much. Like, when there is, like, a bad article in the film, like, you don't get this huge outcry No. In Australia where it's like, fuck them. And it's like, go to the startup, go