The Robot Report Podcast
00:19:28 · Steve Crowe
[00:19:28] S0: Yeah. But again, I don't think that's don't think that's happening anytime soon. You know what I mean? Yeah. But you're right. Maybe maybe potential customers, know, some of the companies trying to develop humanoids for the home, 1x Figure has mentioned that. I think I'm not sure about anybody else off the top of my head, but I don't really think that's realistic at this point in time. But I also thought it was interesting. I talked to a couple of people from Amazon Robotics, obviously, you know, sister company, AWS. They didn't use this RoboMaker product either, never used it, weren't interested in it, basically for the same reason was, you know, they they kinda know the environments in which it's robot... The robots are gonna be operating. Yep. And they're not... They don't need thousands of different simulations or environments. Unfortunate for AWS, you know, we had Roger Barger, he keynoted the summit, man, back in, I think, 2019. We ran a workshop with them to help launch the Robomaker product. So unfortunate for them, I guess not everything works out, right? AWS is obviously a great company known for a lot of different tools that they help developers use in leading companies. And they're encouraging folks to pivot over to AWS Batch. I would be lying if I knew what that was. It's one of their other software tools that they're saying has all the capabilities and more than RoboMaker. So they have a blog, and we link to it in our report on this that people out there are still using or I guess looking for alternatives to RoboMaker. If you used it, they're encouraging folks to head over to AWS Batch, but you can read the report on this. We'll link to it in the show notes so you can read all about it. And then finally, and we're going to dive into this story more, in the coming days and weeks. But Mike, essentially we learned earlier this week through a new standard, a new robot safety standard that has been announced, Was it the revised, ISO 10,218 that a cobot is no longer a cobot? What the heck's going on?
00:21:30 · Mike Oitzman, Steve Crowe
[00:21:30] S1: Yeah. Well, the... Basically, the definition has has evolved. And so again, as you said, we're going to dig more into this in the coming week. But basically, the ISO standard has omitted any definition of a collaborative robot, and now they're using the concept of a collaborative operation or operation or application in the revised standard. So basically that means that collaborative now is about how humans interact with the robot and everything in the work cell, not just defining the robot and its characteristics. So, you know, this opens the door for all of those other tools that make an industrial robot you know, collaborative. There's been a number of tools, of technologies that you know, look at this environment, understand what's going on, slow the robot down when a human gets in the robot's work envelope. And you know, it's been that's taking like a decade now, right, that those technologies have evolved. And, you know, collaborative robots, you are they've been around for almost twenty years now. So it's been an interesting evolution. It's about time. So there's also the ANSI r I r 15 o six that's also been been updated. So that's basically the news and, you know, look forward. We'll have more reporting on this in the next week or so. [00:22:57] S0: Yeah. It is interesting. You know, the the it's been... There... There's been so much debate about how many of these collaborative robots from the leading companies are actually used in collaborative applications. [00:23:11] S1: Mhmm.
00:23:11 · Mike Oitzman, Steve Crowe
[00:23:11] S1: Mhmm. [00:23:12] S0: Right? And I believe the number is probably pretty slim as in how a cobot is actually interacting with a human often and doing whatever task that they are carried out with doing. Think it's probably very slim. I think there's other benefits that cobots have had over the years rather than actually collaboratively working with people. But this really points to, and I think Aaron had a picture of this in his newsletter this morning, is any robot can be unsafe. [00:23:42] S1: Mhmm. [00:23:43] S0: Right? Just... And his picture, and I've seen different iterations of this picture many times over the years, is if you stuck a knife on the end of a quote unquote collaborative robot arm, that robot arm is now very unsafe. Right? [00:23:58] S1: Could still slice you. [00:23:59] S0: They can still slice you. So, it was kind of a misnomer. And, again, these standards, man, they take forever to update. [00:24:07] S1: Yep.
00:24:08 · Steve Crowe
[00:24:08] S0: There's just so much that goes into this. There's so many stakeholders and players and people that they have to reach out to and talk to. And I can't imagine being a part of, you know, these standards committees. These people are saints who do this stuff. Roberta Nelson Shea, she recently won an Engelberger Award. So she's done a lot of that stuff. We're talking with A3 next week about this new standard here to learn more about the changes and the big changes and how this will affect or impact things going forward. But I'm also curious. I think I know the answer to this. I'm gonna hope... Hopefully talk to Universal Robots about this as well. You know, they are the leader of, leading developer of collaborative robot arms, But they've always taken a very honest, safe approach to all of their deployments. So I'm not really sure how much this is going to impact them. I don't think it's really going to change anything that they do. But just getting rid of like, does this term collaborative robot, does it actually go away? You know, I think that's kind of the interesting part of it. When you hear the word cobot, I think universal robots is synonymous with that. Yep. What does that do to their marketing capabilities? Do they change things up? I don't know. I'm kind of interested in hearing what they have to say about that. But yeah, we're going dive into this more next week. As again, we're talking to A3 and some other folks about this. So stay tuned on that. But, is this the end of a cobot? I don't know. I don't think so. But it's fun. It's fun to think about anyway. But, that's it for the news of the week. And again, we have you folks covered with our network of websites. If you want to stay up to date on what's going on in the global robotics industry, make sure you bookmark the Robot Report, Automated Warehouse, sign up for our weekly newsletters, follow us on social media, and then you'll never miss a beat. So, moving on here before we get to the featured interview quickly, just plugging a webinar that's coming up this Tuesday, September 16 at noon Eastern, where Mike's going to be, leading a panel that looks at robotics for small and mid sized manufacturers. We're going to be diving in to really learn how robotics can help these manufacturers boost productivity, overcome labor shortages and improve their bottom lines.
00:26:22 · Steve Crowe, Mike Oitzman
He's joined by a great panel of folks who, are leading the charge on these fronts. So Saman Farid, he's the founder and CEO of Formic James Taylor, the CCO of On Robot, and good friend Eric Nieves, the CEO and co founder of Plus One are all going to be joining Mike, again on Tuesday, September 16 at noon Eastern. This is available for free. And they're going to be diving into all sorts of topics and learning about where all of the stuff is going. So if you play in this space or just want to learn about what's going on with robotics for manufacturers, please sign up for this webinar. You can do that by going to therobotreport.com/webinars. We'll make sure to include a link here in the show notes. But, well, there's a lot of other webinars that you can see as well. But Mike, sounds like it's going be a [00:27:08] S1: great panel. It is. Yeah. Looking forward to it. Great. Great to have those gentlemen on this webinar. And so be sure to sign up. Now, Steve, let's see. You... The interview this week is with Scott Kuindersma from Boston Dynamics. And and you and... As you said, you and Gene had a chance to talk to Scott last week. What'd you guys talk about?
00:27:27 · Steve Crowe
[00:27:27] S0: Yeah. So this was... We're supposed to do this probably a week ago. And, I unfortunately had to reschedule the interview with Scott. So I appreciate his flexibility on this. But we... This was just a complete reaction to the video they released of the Atlas humanoid. I think they called it the Spot Workshop where Atlas was taking pieces of the the quadruped robots out of these bins and putting them into different bins. It was legs and faceplates and all sorts of things. And it was just every time they release a video of Atlas, I think it just captivates the robotics world. Right? It's like, how are they doing this? You know, it was completely autonomous. They played it at one x speed. Atlas is adapting to changes in the environments in the environment, which we've seen these guys do, a number of times over the years, but there's somebody, you know, using a hockey stick to shut the lid to the bins and moving the lids and putting pieces of the Spot quadruped on the floor. So it's it's trying to see how adept is Atlas at reacting to changes in its environment in real time, which we all know really for all of these robot form factors to be more useful going forward, they need to be adaptive and reactionary and no environment is going to be perfect. And so we just really unpacked how are they doing this? So we talk a lot about large behaviour models. These are, you know, techniques that are invented by Toyota Research Institute, which Boston Dynamics has partnered with on this. So we talk about what are LBMs? How do they work? What is the data pipeline process? What is the setup process to train these LBMs? What are some of the limitations of them right now? Like what does Boston Dynamics need more of? Do they need more compute? Do they need more data to help these LBMs work better than they're already working? We talk about the future of Atlas. When does the stuff with Hyundai and the tests with Hyundai, which owns Boston Dynamics? When does that start? So we dive into everything with Scott Kuindersma. Again, he's the VP of Research at Boston Dynamics. Great guy, great speaker. So we dive into all sorts of things about Atlas and humanoids. It's a great interview. So, take a listen. Alright. We talked about this, what, a couple of weeks ago, I think, when this...