00:39:22 · Nato Saichek
[00:39:22] S1: You have to be willing to commit really hard and work really hard. Especially early on. The... And you have to be willing to get kicked in the teeth. Especially if you're on the fundraising side. I mean I I think this is part of the reason to have two people at a company and not be a solo founder, is because if you're a solo founder, don't have anyone to complain to. You don't have anyone to commiserate with. Like no one, you know, I I mean, I guess maybe here, you've got a bunch This of is actually probably a fantastic environment and I wish maybe we had had, you know, a cohort of other, you know, co startups to, commiserate with. I mean, it's really hard to shoulder the pressures. And especially once you have a few employees, and suddenly here's people who you convince them to join you on this journey, and now they are dependent on you. And like, if you fail to raise money, they're out of a job. Like if I miss some technical detail and and I've taken us down a wrong track, then our team is is SOL. And you know, we're gonna die. So I think you have to be able to handle that pressure without burdening the other people at the company with it. Again, maybe if it's your... If you're founding it, your co founder, that's a reasonable person where you can commiserate with them. But know, you you can't complain to your employees that like your job is hard. Like, you know, or something like that. And people who aren't in the startup scene, and you know, like, you know what? I have a wife, and while she is supportive, like, there's a there's a certain amount of like like, she doesn't she isn't a startup co founder. You know, I can lean on her in some ways, but like, but she's not in the in the thick of it and doesn't have the the same pressure. She has different pressures. Know, we have a three year old. So she has all kinds of different other pressures. But it's a it's a different thing. You know, the... There... People aren't gonna understand what you're doing and what's going on and, it can be it can be lonely and it can be stressful. And it can be, you know, it's a it's not it's not glamorous in a lot of ways. Like, if you're doing it right, I think, it's not glamorous. At least not not early on because, like, there's no glamor to just like staying up until 2AM. It's nice to tell the story later.
00:41:40 · Nato Saichek, Jonathan Brebner
It can feel glamorous to sit on a stage and have all these people, you know, listening, hanging off your every word. But like, but for the first three years when no one gives a crap, and you're just slogging away, and most people are saying like, well your heat shield's gonna have to be too thick and it's not gonna work so what are you doing? Yeah it's a lot of it isn't fun and so you really have to believe and have people who believe with you. [00:42:07] S0: And then every once in a while you get to hit the big red button. [00:42:10] S1: Yes. Yeah. When you... Yes. And then when you get those... Occasionally you get those little moments of victory. [00:42:16] S0: Nato, I I very much enjoyed the conversation. Thank you for joining us My pleasure. [00:42:20] S1: Here tonight and and speaking to all all the members at SPC. [00:42:23] S0: Thank you.