01:42:38 · Jordi Hays, John Coogan, Derek Blasberg
[01:42:38] S0: to Congratulations team on milestone. [01:42:39] S1: Goodbye. Let me tell you about the New York Stock Exchange. Wanna change the world? Raise capital at the New York Stock Exchange. Just do it. And let me also tell you about Codex. Codex is the powerful workspace for getting work done with AI agents whether you're writing code, analyzing data, creating content or automating business workflows. Codex helps you move projects forward from start to finish. Grab a seat. Welcome to TBPN. Thanks so much for hopping on. [01:43:02] S0: You just asked me where my suit is. [01:43:04] S1: Derek. What a heck of a question. A good question. Gotta wear a tuxedo. That that's what we decided is if I... He always goes one notch down from whatever I wear a tuxedo. [01:43:15] S0: He'll have... I did I do I do have somewhat of a defense, which is that I put on a lot... [01:43:21] S1: It's bulking season. It's bulking season. [01:43:24] S0: That is a really good excuse actually. [01:43:26] S1: Putting on masks. [01:43:27] S0: It's like... But but not perfect. I do have a couple that that still fit. [01:43:30] S1: Yeah. We'll we'll get you one of those really oversized nineteen eighties bodybuilder suits and then you'll have no excuse. Yeah. Because you can fill it out all you want, you got plenty of space. Anyway Anyways. Welcome to the show. Please introduce yourself for everyone [01:43:42] S4: who's I'm Derek Blasberg. I'm a New York based writer. Yeah. And I'm here today to hock a bunch of stuff. [01:43:47] S1: Let's hock, baby.
01:43:47 · John Coogan, Derek Blasberg, Jordi Hays, Apoorva Mehta
[01:43:47] S1: Let's hock, baby. [01:43:49] S4: What do we got? I have a book coming out [01:43:51] S1: Let's get it. [01:43:52] S4: Called Richard Avedon. Yeah. It's about his years at Harper's Bazaar. Yeah. And then tonight... Yeah. Jordi's coming tonight. [01:43:59] S1: I don't [01:43:59] S4: know what you're doing tonight. You've... [01:44:00] S1: I thought it was last night and I [01:44:01] S0: and I was... Not Not invited. But [01:44:07] S1: what is tonight? [01:44:08] S4: So tonight... So Richard Avedon, I should start with who this guy Please. Richard Avedon. [01:44:12] S0: Wait, can you start with who you are? You don't need... That's important. In most rooms, you don't need an introduction, but I think for our niche technology audience You don't think I'm Yeah. Big in I mean... [01:44:24] S1: After this. [01:44:24] S4: After this. What's own map?... Today. I don't even know how to start. Guess I'm a New York based fashion writer. Yeah. I do a lot of books and magazines for Larry Gagosian, the world's largest art dealer. I have a column in every issue of Harper's Bazaar, which [01:44:40] S0: is a fashion magazine. [01:44:41] S4: I'm a special correspondent at Vanity Fair. [01:44:43] S1: Are you a twin dad? [01:44:45] S0: And I have two kids. Twins? Twins, yeah. [01:44:47] S1: Me too. [01:44:48] S4: Five year old... [01:44:48] S3: How old [01:44:48] S4: are your twins? [01:44:49] S0: Two. We met briefly at this dinner party in New York That's right. That our Yeah. [01:44:53] S4: Mutual friend, Shelby, had organized. We talked a bit about the twins.
01:44:53 · Derek Blasberg, John Coogan, Jordi Hays
[01:44:53] S4: Mutual friend, Shelby, had organized. We talked a bit about the twins. [01:44:56] S1: Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. [01:44:57] S4: Great. But I can remember you had... What were your [01:44:59] S1: Boys. Two boys. Twin two year old boys. [01:45:01] S4: And they're identical? No. No. I have a boy and girl, so you'll be Amazing. Surprised to hear that I [01:45:07] S1: love twins. I'm just a fan of twins. [01:45:09] S4: I started kindergarten this which was Amazing. [01:45:12] S0: Amazing. [01:45:13] S4: Traumatic, you know. [01:45:14] S1: Yeah. It's a lot. How quickly it [01:45:15] S0: Emotional rollercoaster. [01:45:16] S4: And they're both go to single sex schools and it was and... [01:45:19] S1: Okay. That's lot for drop off. Anyway, tell us about Richard Avedon. [01:45:23] S4: So Richard Avedon was by far the most important photographer of the twentieth century. [01:45:27] S1: Yeah. [01:45:28] S4: He was a high school dropout and joined the merchant marines at the end of the second world war. [01:45:32] S0: As most fashion photographers do. Is a real Enlist. [01:45:36] S4: Fertile educational traditional training ground for fashion photographers.... Shooting. Sorry? [01:45:43] S0: Pointing and shooting. Yeah.
01:45:43 · Jordi Hays, Derek Blasberg, John Coogan, Anish Agarwal
[01:45:43] S0: Pointing and shooting. Yeah. [01:45:45] S4: Well, it's interesting. So what he did in the Merchant Marines was take pictures of all the incoming marines, sailors, and so he shot them all in a white background. Wow. And a lot of the images... You may not recognize his name and and watchers and listeners may not recognize his name, but a lot of the most iconic images Sure. JFK's official president-elect portrait [01:46:06] S1: Yeah. [01:46:07] S4: Marilyn Monroe, the sad Marilyn Monroe. You know, lot of those pictures were taken in a style influenced by the early passport polls of the Merchant Marine. [01:46:16] S0: Fascinating. So at 21... Yeah. Every time... I mean, I feel like so many of those pictures are just amazing, you know? Mhmm. You'll be like looking through your old, you know, family photos and things like that and you're like, this is an amazing picture, you know? For... And you know [01:46:28] S4: what they're for sale tonight, Jordi. We can put some of the There we go. Water and cash. [01:46:31] S0: There we go. We can have [01:46:32] S4: a little piece of history. There's, you know, amazing pictures of the Beatles. Wow. This was Jackie Kennedy. [01:46:39] S0: Wow. Iconic. Yeah. [01:46:41] S1: We can see. [01:46:42] S0: Seamless. [01:46:44] S4: And so Richard Avedon, I'm a huge fan of Richard Avedon. Mhmm. I've done a lot with the Richard Avedon Foundation. He died in 2004 when he was 81 years old. Wow. He was on assignment for The New Yorker. [01:46:54] S6: Mhmm.
01:46:54 · Anish Agarwal, Derek Blasberg, John Coogan, Jordi Hays, Apoorva Mehta
[01:46:54] S6: Mhmm. [01:46:54] S4: And on a day like this, where we've had such, you know, incredible and surprising election results. In 2004, he was doing a project called Democracy for the New Yorker. And he was... [01:47:05] S1: Was that the start of Bush two? Was that year? [01:47:07] S4: That was... It was right after the Democratic National Convention. [01:47:10] S1: Okay. So one [01:47:10] S4: of the last portraits he took was of of a young senator called Barack [01:47:15] S1: Barack Obama. Yeah. Okay. [01:47:17] S4: So he has an incredible portrait [01:47:18] S1: of Wow. [01:47:19] S4: Obama at at the end of his career [01:47:21] S0: Barackable. Yeah. [01:47:22] S4: With no gray hair. You know, because you can date it by the grays. Yeah. And he actually... He woke up with with like a, you know, a pounding headache. Sure. But he got... And he was supposed to shoot he was supposed to shoot a young... A teenage girl who was pregnant and was was gonna be denied an abortion. So he was like... He was documenting like real America who's sometimes overlooked by the the... System. By the system. Sure. And he got the shot and he went and laid down and it turned out he had had a, you know... [01:47:50] S1: Brain aneurysm? [01:47:51] S4: Brain aneurysm. Yeah. Wow. Wow. So he passed away. But he always said he wanted to go out with his boots on. Working. Yeah. So... I mean Respect. [01:47:58] S0: Sadly, bittersweetly Yeah. He did. Just a closure [01:48:01] S3: Yeah. [01:48:01] S1: To the story.
01:48:01 · John Coogan, Derek Blasberg, Jordi Hays
[01:48:01] S1: To the story. [01:48:02] S4: And then I was told that you've got some film major people in here. Sure. Or some... Yeah. [01:48:07] S1: Oh, yeah. Yeah. The whole production team. [01:48:09] S0: So I don't know if they all graduated, but... They wouldn't be here.... A film major. [01:48:17] S4: Yeah. They majorly liked film. [01:48:19] S0: Yeah. [01:48:19] S1: Yeah. Fans here. [01:48:22] S4: So Ron Howard Yeah. Who's academy... There I've been in some some... I think they're I think they're thumbs... Thumbs up. Four thumbs up. Ron Howard directed a documentary about which will drop on that's what we say still? Do we still say drop? Do I sound like a middle aged dad if [01:48:41] S0: I say drop? No. We're dropping all the time. [01:48:43] S1: The drops are good. [01:48:44] S4: So it drops Yeah. On Netflix on November Cool. [01:48:46] S0: Eleventh. [01:48:47] S1: Okay. [01:48:47] S4: Yeah. So all fall [01:48:49] S0: Yeah. [01:48:50] S4: Yeah. All Avedon. [01:48:50] S0: Yeah. And... [01:48:52] S1: Yeah. Take me through a little bit more of his his legacy, the style. Like, if I'm looking at modern photography, modern fashion photography, what am I seeing that triggers, oh, that's Avedon inspired. [01:49:03] S4: So a lot of a lot of the things that we credit Avedon Mhmm. For establishing is number one in in in post war Europe, he established Paris as like the fashion capital. Okay. There's a famous picture... [01:49:16] S1: I thought that went back like hundreds of years or something. I don't know.