Founders in Arms
00:30:56 · Jean-Denis Greze, Immad Akhund, Rajat Suri
[00:30:56] S2: you know, try to get [00:30:57] S0: a sense of... But I do think it's much harder than it used to be. But, also, like, engineers are a lot more productive with the actual. So it's a it's a really interesting world where it's changing all the time. I mean, yeah, we would talk about whether in one year's time, you really [00:31:12] S2: ever need to even read [00:31:14] S0: the code as an engineer. And then, you know, to some extent, we're not testing for quite the right things. But, yeah, you have to get ahead of all [00:31:22] S2: of these things. [00:31:23] S0: Yeah. I think [00:31:24] S1: it's really challenging before I ask the question. It's like we're all struggling.
00:31:24 · Rajat Suri, Jean-Denis Greze, Immad Akhund
[00:31:24] S1: it's really challenging before I ask the question. It's like we're all struggling. [00:31:27] S2: Yeah. One one thing that's been interesting for us is I think the product engineers are looking at the code less and less. But we do have a few people on the team who really work on the architecture and all the... Like, they're just literally the interfaces and all the things that we have so that we don't, like, foot down ourselves. And those folks are pretty deep actually in the code in terms of understanding the continuous, like, code rot that is being introduced by the AI. And the engineers that we have doing that are, like, one of them is one of the best five engineers I've worked with in my career, like a like a senior principal kind of level person, at least. The other two are, like, senior staff or principal. And they, you know, their skill set... I'm actually... I'm, like, curious how you would develop their skill set in in the new world. Because I think they have a skill set around, like, abstractions and and understanding how AI is gonna, like, evolve your code base in bad ways and how you make sure the right instructions and skills are exactly in the right place. [00:32:34] S0: You don't think in two years, AI will be able to mimic the past skill set?
00:32:34 · Immad Akhund, Jean-Denis Greze, Rajat Suri, S4
[00:32:34] S0: You don't think in two years, AI will be able to mimic the past skill set? [00:32:38] S2: It... You know, I... Maybe, but it's maybe in two years. But I can tell you in the next two years, I don't think we would be successful as a company without those people. And Yeah. And... Yeah. It's... Maybe... I don't know. I have I have my I have my doubts on... I have no doubt that in two years, like, AI can keep shipping features in your code base without introducing, you know, bugs, security holes, maybe even, like, performance regressions. But I don't know how to get the AI to ensure that the next code change is as easy to do as the current one. And, like, we're just... We're we're, like, really far in our code base from the AI not introducing, like, you know, code run. I mean, like, crazy rate. My confidence of that going away in two years is not super high. [00:33:45] S0: And I have a tricky time saying AI won't do something in two years. Like, just my history of previously saying, hey. I won't be able to do this. It's not been great. [00:33:55] S1: Yeah. I think performance actually is one where we still need to, like, handwrite code. Right? Performance is actually probably one of the areas where we find AI, especially on mobile. Because we do have mobile apps, like, you know, low network environments. AI is not that great at that. [00:34:09] S4: Well, AI doesn't have a good...
00:34:09 · S4, Jean-Denis Greze, Immad Akhund, Rajat Suri
[00:34:09] S4: Well, AI doesn't have a good... [00:34:11] S2: As good a training set on mobile, for example. Because the code... The the mobile code bases of the best apps in the world are, like, not... They're not available for the world to see. [00:34:20] S0: Are we gonna open up to questions? Yeah. Yeah. [00:34:23] S1: We have forty five minutes. We're gonna do forty five minutes chat, and then [00:34:28] S0: And I've lost track of time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's been forty five minutes. Yeah. K. Yeah. There's someone else. Yeah. [00:34:35] S1: Can you repeat the questions? Questions? If because [00:34:36] S4: we we don't don't have have [00:34:37] S0: Yes. Yes. We'll We'll repeat repeat the the questions. Questions. Repeat Okay. The questions. Just stand up and shout them. [00:34:43] S1: Any questions, folks? Or me or us? I have a question for you, I wanted just to start. Like, you've been announcing this week. Tell us about what you've been announcing as, you know, I catch you over the first time. The bookstore sounds pretty cool. [00:34:57] S0: Well, the bookstore wasn't an announcement per se. We had... We were at a three day bookstore in Jackson Square. Okay. [00:35:03] S4: It was kind of it was kind of fun. [00:35:04] S0: It was, an activation because of our Mercury Books product. It was refilled as we got the ads and talks, and we were giving away books. Okay. I don't know how much it cost, but no one asked me. So I don't know. Don't know. What else did we launch [00:35:34] S2: So it's [00:35:34] S0: nice that
00:35:34 · Immad Akhund, Jean-Denis Greze, S5, Rajat Suri
[00:35:34] S0: nice that [00:35:35] S2: you can just put in somebody else and Yeah. Take care [00:35:37] S0: of it. Alright. There's a question. [00:35:40] S5: Yeah. It was family, like, understanding how town is different than... Like, I use superhuman family, so in that perspective. [00:35:49] S1: That's our last part I sketched. Yeah. [00:35:53] S2: I mean... [00:35:56] S0: Well... K.
00:35:58 · Jean-Denis Greze
[00:35:58] S2: Sorry. I'm the high road. It's a pretty different product. Right? First, it's... It connects to all of your systems. It just starts out an email in your calendar. So it it automates everything. So I'll give you examples of things that people use it for. You are a... You're a restaurant in America. You have wholesalers that you're buying the things that go into the ingredients for your restaurant. Every month, your wholesaler sends you an email with a PDF or an Excel spreadsheet of the prices for the things that you've ordered. You will have... You'll ask your assistant, hey, what I would like for you to do is once a month look at the prices, tell me if there have been any increases in prices, and move those orders to a cheaper wholesaler. And it'll start doing that for you. And after a couple months, you're like, it's pretty good, but why don't you also look at other wholesalers in my market that maybe I should sign up for and so that I have more, you know, prices to choose from? And maybe it'll be like, okay, cool. Let me use the browser to do that. But our trajectory optimization is for tasks like that, so we're good at dealing with money and spreadsheets and things that you tend to use in work. It comes out of email because your wholesalers are going to email you their new prices and your bills at certain periods. That's one example of a thing that someone would use out of town. I know that Superhuman has some AI capabilities about email drafting and things like that, but we're much more full stack. So another example, if you're a recruiter on town, we have private data sets for recruiters. So you might say something like you have a new client that gets in touch with you, they're like, hey, here's a job rep that I would like for you to help recruit. And then you can have the agent be like, okay, can you do a market map for me?