01:49:27 · John Coogan, Jordi Hays, Thibault Sottiaux
[01:49:27] S1: Of course. A lot of [01:49:28] S0: people were feeling left out this week that weren't in the early access program. What makes a good early access partner? I'm sure your DMs are just making people that want access to the next set of models, but what makes a good partner to the to the to the product and the research team? [01:49:45] S4: Yeah. We really try to go as broad as possible. It is quite a bit of effort to manage, and then also, like, we're getting all that feedback and incorporating it, we work very closely with the the the folks in early access. For us, it's just really about realizing whether it is as good as we think it is, right, you know, it's like so close to the model, you train it, you know, you've incorporated like all that feedback, all your dreams, visions into this model, and then you've played with it for a little bit. And then when we give access to, you know, folks outside of OpenAI, it's like, you know, the first time where we have like an unbiased look, know, where people are using all sorts of models and different harnesses every day. So it's just kind of like this awesome, you know, is it actually as good as we think it is? It's like, know, what are the things that we missed? And so it's that you know, high high bandwidth engagement, good feedback, and then, you know, that sort of people who have shown to be unbiased in the past and, you know, talked honestly about, you know, all sorts of models and all sorts of harnesses.
01:49:45 · Thibault Sottiaux, John Coogan
[01:49:45] S4: Yeah. We really try to go as broad as possible. It is quite a bit of effort to manage, and then also, like, we're getting all that feedback and incorporating it, we work very closely with the the the folks in early access. For us, it's just really about realizing whether it is as good as we think it is, right, you know, it's like so close to the model, you train it, you know, you've incorporated like all that feedback, all your dreams, visions into this model, and then you've played with it for a little bit. And then when we give access to, you know, folks outside of OpenAI, it's like, you know, the first time where we have like an unbiased look, know, where people are using all sorts of models and different harnesses every day. So it's just kind of like this awesome, you know, is it actually as good as we think it is? It's like, know, what are the things that we missed? And so it's that you know, high high bandwidth engagement, good feedback, and then, you know, that sort of people who have shown to be unbiased in the past and, you know, talked honestly about, you know, all sorts of models and all sorts of harnesses. [01:50:45] S1: How do you how are you thinking about the trade off between mobile, cloud, desktop, the Mac mini that went mega viral last year? Do you think that we'll stay in a hybrid pattern for the foreseeable future? Is it a person by person basis? Do you have a grand unifying theory of how agentic work happens in the future?
01:50:45 · John Coogan, Thibault Sottiaux, Bernt Øivind Børnich
[01:50:45] S1: How do you how are you thinking about the trade off between mobile, cloud, desktop, the Mac mini that went mega viral last year? Do you think that we'll stay in a hybrid pattern for the foreseeable future? Is it a person by person basis? Do you have a grand unifying theory of how agentic work happens in the future? [01:51:10] S4: Yeah. The way we think about it is no compromise. So you want to be able to use the same same AI partner, you know, like on your phone, on the go, it's just like, you know, I go walk in the park, I want the exact same thing. I want it on my laptop, I want it, you know, at home, maybe like running in a Mac mini, and it is more that it needs to be able to have access to all the things that are important in my life and not be constrained by the physical boundaries of like, you know, it's just like, hey, I started this prompt or I started this conversation on my phone and it's just like, now it's stuck on my phone. [01:51:40] S5: Yeah. Like, you know, we want
01:51:40 · Bernt Øivind Børnich, Thibault Sottiaux, Jordi Hays, John Coogan
[01:51:40] S5: Yeah. Like, you know, we want [01:51:41] S4: it to be uncompromising and so your AI, your ideal AI partner, think just, you know, has access to everything all the time and just, you know, processes the information as needed and then, you know, can act in a safe way and controlled way, you know, so that, you know, you always understand like what it's trying to do and, you know, if there's like something risky, you can approve it or ask it to change tack. And there I also think the mobile has a big role to play, right? So if five, six hours are busy working on something and then you just go out to dinner, it should ask you for permission to do something when you're there. Don't need to be stuck on your laptop. [01:52:18] S0: Yeah. Fast forwarding six or twelve months, how important is voice to someone's day to day experience with ChatGPT work slash codex? [01:52:30] S4: I don't think you would need to fast track it. You know, we shipped ChatGPT voice yesterday. [01:52:35] S0: No. I know I know. But but, you know, you assume, like, you know, oftentimes, like, something ships, you know, and it takes a little [01:52:42] S1: Everyone has to go on holiday break. [01:52:44] S0: Yeah. We have three day weekend. [01:52:45] S1: We have three day weekend and then everyone can test out the latest and and and integrate it into the workflows. Yeah.
01:52:45 · John Coogan, Thibault Sottiaux, Jordi Hays
[01:52:45] S1: We have three day weekend and then everyone can test out the latest and and and integrate it into the workflows. Yeah. [01:52:51] S4: It's just, you know, open a chat with the app, like, using it, latest voice. We also demoed it in Yeah. Livestream this morning, and it's very sort of super enjoyable, like magical experience when you first experience it, but also like, you know, on the fifth time as well. It's going to be part of like, you know, day to day experience, you know, of like how you work with these systems. We don't have it yet in the desktop app, but this is something that we're working towards, and when you experience it, it's like a modern day Jarvis, right? It's like you know, you just talk to it, you just walk in your room, and you know, suddenly it's just like doing things on your computer, you know, with the same level of like precision and power, you know, that you currently have over text. [01:53:31] S1: Yeah. It's amazing. Congratulations. Thank you so [01:53:35] S0: much. Hopefully, [01:53:36] S1: you can get some sleep. I'm sure it's crazy. [01:53:37] S0: Big days to come. [01:53:38] S1: Back to the one of five war rooms, whichever one you'll go to next. Have a great rest of your day. Congratulations. And we'll talk to you soon, Tiva. [01:53:45] S0: Cheers.
01:53:45 · Jordi Hays, John Coogan, Sean Frank
[01:53:45] S0: Cheers. [01:53:46] S1: Have great one. Goodbye. Let me tell you a route. Railway. Railway is the all in one intelligent cloud provider. Use your favorite agent to deploy web app servers, databases, and more while Railway automatically takes care of scaling, monitoring, and security. And while we bring in Sean Frank, I'm also gonna tell you about Cisco. Critical infrastructure for the AI era. Unlock seamless real time experiences, a new value with Cisco. Sean, how are doing? Welcome to [01:54:10] S6: the show. Great to see you guys. [01:54:11] S1: First time first time in the actual studio. [01:54:12] S6: Right? Second. Second. I did the Shopify episode. [01:54:14] S1: Oh, that's right. That's right. He took [01:54:16] S0: the time out of his Black Friday. [01:54:18] S1: That was great. Yeah. But we we yeah. We bounced around a lot. It was a it was a big it was a big day. That was good one, though. [01:54:23] S6: Hopefully, we'll do it again. [01:54:24] S1: Yeah. Another And and Black Friday was a record for you. Right? Was successful. [01:54:29] S6: Yeah. Yeah. Huge [01:54:30] S0: Have you have you had a Black Friday that wasn't a record? [01:54:32] S6: No. Every year it's gone up. [01:54:33] S1: Every year. [01:54:34] S6: And it's not gonna fall this year. [01:54:35] S1: Yeah. Up only over here at the Ridge Wallet. Ridge broadly. Right? The portfolio is growing still? [01:54:41] S6: Yeah. The wallet business is it's a great business. Yeah. It's like a 100,000,000 plus a year. Yeah. But the growth is now like all the other stuff we [01:54:48] S1: do. Okay.