How I Invest with David Weisburd
00:12:40 · David Weisburd, Jack Selby
[00:12:40] S0: So you think unless you're doing fundamental research lab type type businesses, you don't need that level of talent? [00:12:48] S1: I am trying to find the next Carvana esque type company, and that's the vast majority of technology startups. Anthropic and OpenAI are in the vast minority, and again, I would concede those types of businesses should be built in Palo Alto, but that is less than 1% of the startup universe. So I'm not focused on that. Investing in those types of companies is a sandbox that is all about access. I don't have that access. I have no edge in that, and that is also an extremely expensive sandbox. So that is the polar opposite of what I try to do with Copper Sky. [00:13:17] S0: So maybe we could define these Carvana type businesses. What exactly are you looking for? [00:13:22] S1: So we're sector agnostic, So we are looking for truly rock star entrepreneurs. So if I can wrap my liberal arts, classics economics major around whatever an entrepreneur is doing, then we'll take a look. The job is almost as if you're a talent scout. Like you work for CAA or WME, and you do enough of the kind of the ten thousand hours of sitting across the table from aspiring actresses, musicians, whatever it may be, you get a sense of who has that kind of sparkle in their eye or that spring in their step. That's what I'm looking for. And what that actual person does is a secondary conversation if you can find that sparkle in the eye.
00:13:22 · Jack Selby, David Weisburd
[00:13:22] S1: So we're sector agnostic, So we are looking for truly rock star entrepreneurs. So if I can wrap my liberal arts, classics economics major around whatever an entrepreneur is doing, then we'll take a look. The job is almost as if you're a talent scout. Like you work for CAA or WME, and you do enough of the kind of the ten thousand hours of sitting across the table from aspiring actresses, musicians, whatever it may be, you get a sense of who has that kind of sparkle in their eye or that spring in their step. That's what I'm looking for. And what that actual person does is a secondary conversation if you can find that sparkle in the eye. [00:13:55] S0: Speaking of ten thousand hours, how does somebody become this world class entrepreneur in a noncoastal context? And I guess the distinction is, obviously, they are very high IQ, very smart people, but the premise is that they're not... They... They're LLMs. Their personal LLMs have not been trained on what greatness looks like. That... That's the premise. [00:14:14] S1: There's greatness in all these places. And so, again, there are plenty of talented entrepreneurs amongst this 290 subset population. So they're everywhere. And so the idea that they're getting less than 10% of the early stage risk capital is preposterous. So the the opportunity set... I mean, I I I refuse to believe that the opportunity set is not sufficient for more venture capital, and we could debate how much more that is, but it is so outrageously imbalanced. That's what we're trying to alleviate with Copper Sky.
00:14:14 · Jack Selby, David Weisburd
[00:14:14] S1: There's greatness in all these places. And so, again, there are plenty of talented entrepreneurs amongst this 290 subset population. So they're everywhere. And so the idea that they're getting less than 10% of the early stage risk capital is preposterous. So the the opportunity set... I mean, I I I refuse to believe that the opportunity set is not sufficient for more venture capital, and we could debate how much more that is, but it is so outrageously imbalanced. That's what we're trying to alleviate with Copper Sky. [00:14:43] S0: Just to kind of agree with you for a second. I think that, certainly, one one metric that you could go off of is top engineering talent in terms of undergrads. And, certainly, those three states do not have 90% of the top engineering students graduating colleges and graduating from from these places. So certainly from an engineering standpoint, my concern is just on the training, is that you need that training in order to to become world class. [00:15:10] S1: Sure. You have universities like Carnegie Mellon. I was in Pittsburgh last week. You have University of Illinois where I think half of our founding engineering team at PayPal came from. [00:15:18] S0: And Mark Andreessen from University of
00:15:18 · David Weisburd, Jack Selby
[00:15:18] S0: And Mark Andreessen from University of [00:15:20] S1: The list goes on and on and on. Again, there are tons and tons of world class universities in these noncoastal places, but if there was more capital there, like one of my... I I've been an investor in Cleveland, for example. I won't mention his name, but he's very involved in the community. So the Cleveland Clinic, Cleveland Foundation, Case Western is his alma mater, and so my pitch to him and said, okay, if you participate as an LP in my fund, what percentage of your beloved alma mater, Case Western, what percentage of that graduating class can we keep in Cleveland? I'm not saying it's a 100%, but it's definitely not 0%. [00:15:50] S0: You're trying to prove the counterfactual, which is if there's a lot of brain drain going on in the area, what would happen if [00:15:56] S1: you were problem because otherwise, we can go back and forth, and it becomes a circular discussion. It's very difficult to disprove, which I would concede. So I'm not trying to be argumentative, but I guarantee you the number is not zero in terms of the number of the Case Western graduating class that I could keep in Cleveland if there's more venture capital in Cleveland.
00:16:10 · David Weisburd
[00:16:10] S0: I'll give you a case study. So very first company. I was, inadvertently, did the entire Pre round before Pre Seed, exists, and, actually, they were they were backed by Founders Fund, for for their for their seed round. And, it was two guys, John Ramey and Zach Hassanein. I connected the two cofounders. They're both from Indiana. One went to Indiana University. One went to Purdue University. Yep. And they tried to raise money in Indiana. They tried to move... Raise money in Chicago. And then they moved to San Francisco out of desperation, to Burlingame, actually, to to the Peninsula. And then they raised from, you know, the best of the best, Founders Fund, TFJ, Brad Feld, all all these people. So this is a very specific case study where they clearly were talented, clearly were ambitious, but they couldn't raise in their homegrown talent. Perhaps a much better example of that is Mark Zuckerberg. Mark Zuckerberg wanted to stay in Boston. He actually had an affinity towards Boston. He went to Harvard. And venture capitalists in Boston, which Peter Thiel has opined on, for whatever reason, would not fund them, and he had to move to to Palo Alto and and the rest is history, as I say. There are quite few of counterfactuals of what would happen if those entrepreneurs had stayed.
00:17:18 · Jack Selby, David Weisburd
[00:17:18] S1: Yep. I mean, your example of the entrepreneurs that had to move out to Burlingame is is spot on, and I see that all the time. And this goes back to my point earlier that it's a it's a... It's not a human capital network effect. It's a financial network effect that is drawing. It is the magnet that is bringing all these people to Silicon Valley. [00:17:33] S0: So this strategy has been around in different forms, for probably twelve, thirteen years, I think. Originally, Steve Case from Rise of the Rest, I believe, 2014, tried to solve this problem. What did he get wrong? [00:17:48] S1: So I don't wanna speak negatively about anyone. Steve's a friend. He's a... An... Another luminary fellow. [00:17:54] S0: What was the... What was wrong with the concept as it was?