00:30:55 · Daisy Wolf, Andrew Huberman
[00:30:55] S1: What's something you recommend to others, but are not that good at following yourself? Or what do you do that you know is bad for you? [00:31:03] S0: I think the social media thing might be the biggest one. I recently moved X and Instagram to a separate phone, so that if people send me things, I can't open it. [00:31:14] S1: Mhmm. [00:31:14] S0: And then I keep that phone in a lockbox, so that I say, okay, for an hour I'm going on there, and then it goes back into... And this is a supermax prison lock spot. [00:31:23] S1: Yeah. So you [00:31:24] S0: can't you can't actually code out of it. That's a little bit embarrassing for me because I can control my behavior, but I did find that time [00:31:31] S1: You're human. You're just like us. [00:31:32] S0: Well, the algorithms have gotten so good. Yeah. They've gotten so good, and it's so entertaining, and it's also a little different because I'm on there, so I'm interacting with it in a in a pretty active way. And I mean, it's also just a weird experience, like, to go online and see, like, people saying stuff about you, and and then you're trying to, like, you know, explain things and trying to figure out if they're in good faith or not, and it can really suck a lot of time. [00:31:58] S1: Totally.
00:31:58 · Daisy Wolf, Andrew Huberman
[00:31:58] S1: Totally. [00:31:59] S0: So I think that I think that that's probably the biggest one, and it's the one that, yeah, carries, like, a a little bit of shame. Right? We should all be able to control our behavior. So why should I need a lockbox for my phone? On the other hand, I feel like when it's in the lockbox, and data support this, that if the phone is out of the room or completely inaccessible, there's cognitive resources that become available to you that are not, if it's even in your bag, turned off under your chair. This was a study that was done. People can focus just as well, but they need to use additional cognitive resources to have that level of focus. This was looked at in a pretty clever way in this study. So I try and keep the phone in another room, and I find that having it in the lockbox is a whole other level of of inaccessibility that I think serves me. [00:32:47] S1: That totally checks out to me. Okay. You distill health research for a living, and it's resulted in a lot of recommendations and protocols. If you had to say... If you had to recommend three things to people ranked no more than three Mhmm. To live a healthier life, what would those three things be?
00:33:05 · Andrew Huberman
[00:33:05] S0: Great. Morning bright light ideally from sunlight. So that would be in the first thirty to sixty minutes after waking. If you can't get it from sunlight, get a 10,000 lux artificial light, then get some sunlight if and when you can. So that's number one. The next would be do the weight training protocol I talked about earlier. It will completely change your life. If women are concerned about being too bulky, it's not gonna do that. It's... I mean, in terms of body recomposition, mood, brain health, you know, you're not gonna find a more potent stimulus. And then the last one would be to figure out some way to make the sleep you can get the highest quality sleep. You know, I sometimes get, you know, appropriately attacked for, hey, you know, I've got kids, I've got a busy job, you know, the neighbors are always making noise, what do I do? Find a two bed time to shoot for most nights that allows you to get the most deep sleep. Don't miss that window. And here I'm lumping in a fourth, but really learn to get to sleep and fall back asleep. You know, I'm not gonna say get perfect sleep because you'd have to organize your whole life around that. I'm gonna say do long exhale breathing to slow your heart rate. Learn how to close your eyes, and this sounds so kooky, but it's grounded in what we understand about the underlying circuitry. Moving your eyes back and forth, and up and down, and so forth, you're having a hard time falling asleep because your mind is racing will greatly help you fall asleep. And it's not mysterious why. It's because in order to fall asleep, you need to forget about your body position, and this confuses the vestibular system. In fact, if I may, one of the technologies that I'm most excited about, and I'm hoping a16z will make this... I don't have a company related to this, are sleep masks that induce sleep by controlling eye movements in certain ways. Interesting. How cool would that be? And measure rapid eye movement sleep and slow wave sleep. I think that's the next wave of technology that we all desperately need. But the three things are, as I said, the morning bright light. Yep. The resistance training. Still do cardio if you want, but the resistance training is the really sharp blade of of of health improvement.
00:35:18 · Andrew Huberman, Daisy Wolf
And find a way in your current circumstances each night to get the highest quality whatever, five hours, six hours, ideally it's eight hours, but know the things that you can do in the context of the hotel room, the airplane that you happen to be on. Figure those things out. And then you'll start to experience the flexibility that comes from not fearing that you didn't get the perfect night's sleep. Mhmm. Like, I'm fine on six hours because I know how to regulate my energy during the day if I just got six. And I would love to get eight, but I can't tell you the last time I got eight solid hours without getting up once or twice. This just doesn't happen. [00:35:57] S1: We have a lot of founders who listen to our podcast. If you had to also kind of narrow it down to three pieces of evidence based habits for cognitive performance for founders or anyone, what would those things be?
00:36:11 · Andrew Huberman
[00:36:11] S0: Yeah. First one is know when your windows of high cognitive capacity are. This is different for everybody. So for me, I can feel 11AM come around. Gosh, I wish it was 7AM when this happened, and I get up pretty early. I should say I tend to get up between six and 7AM. Sometimes, if I go to sleep at nine, I wake up at five. Okay, if I go to sleep at ten or eleven, I tend to wake up at seven. So it's just, and I wake up in the middle of the night, like I think most normal human beings, use the restroom and get back into bed 90% of the nights in my life. Okay. So I know that in the morning, I tend to have a lot of sleep inertia. I need to do these things. I'll do the exercise, etcetera. But part of the reason I do that is I know if I exercise before 9AM, I have a lot more energy and focus for the rest of the day. If I exercise at 11AM, which is kind of peak of my morning energy, at three in the afternoon I'm exhausted. This is just me, but other people might be different. So some people find that that peak for work lies at a certain time of the day. For me, there's two times. It's really between the hours of 09:30AM and 12:30PM. That window is crucial, so I have to be very careful that I'm not exercising in that window. Because I, like most founders, don't get paid to exercise. This is very important. If you're going to do things for your health, they have to support the other areas of your life in a way that feed back onto something where your company succeeds, and then you actually have the resources to maybe change your schedule someday. But otherwise, if people are trying to just pack all these protocols in, they're just going to deplete themselves. So for me, it's 09:30 to 12:30. That's one key window. Then I tend to have a little bit of dip in focus and cognition, and then for me, somewhere in the late afternoon, right around 04:30, 5PM, I start to get another window that lasts until about 7PM or so right before dinner, and I have to capture that. And I've learned that my mind is better at certain things in those two windows. Again, this is highly individual. For some people it might be the middle of the night. So I think knowing yourself, and this might change across stages of life or life circumstances, but knowing yourself and really capturing those two, and protecting those times as if they were the most important times of the day.
00:38:29 · Andrew Huberman, Daisy Wolf
So maybe only your family members and coworkers can access you with emergencies during that time or those times. For most people, it's going to be about twice a day. You might say that's not enough time. That's three hours of focused work, then maybe three hours again in the afternoon or two or three. I don't know many people that are completely focused for eight or nine hours a day without the next day being completely shot. [00:38:54] S1: I agree.