00:32:55 · John Coogan, Darren Rovell, Jordi Hays
[00:32:55] S1: Got it. [00:32:55] S4: So so... But that but that is the how do we Not to [00:32:59] S0: not to. [00:33:00] S1: Devalue it. By [00:33:01] S4: having by having the two, and you know, then the only person you can sell it to is another Mike, another Ed, another Jim. [00:33:08] S1: Yep. That makes sense. [00:33:09] S4: They cut... People can cut around it too. Sure. So it, you know, it depends. [00:33:14] S1: What about the color of the pen, the method of the instrument? You only have some BIC on you. You see someone, you wanna get a you wanna get a signature. What's the tier list or, like, ranking for the the priority? If you have your pick of the litter, what instrument are you going with for the signature? Does it matter on the material? [00:33:33] S4: Depends on the material. Depends on the material. If it's a shiny material, you'd like to try to get some baby powder on it or wipe it off with a shirt or something like that. That actually does make a difference. All else being equal, you want a a black sharpie. If it is, you know, some sort of surface that you think will hold that sharpie. Mhmm. If if it is on a piece of paper, I would rather even a pencil, I swear, than than a sharpie because it's gonna bleed through and it has xylene in it, means that it will turn yellow in a couple years. [00:34:08] S1: Oh,
00:34:08 · John Coogan, Darren Rovell, Jordi Hays
[00:34:08] S1: Oh, [00:34:08] S4: interesting. Don't don't go too crazy with the pens. Mhmm. You know, that's where people really really Yeah. And then there's some people who sign who just... Like Marilyn Monroe, I don't think she ever picked up a pen that worked. Look at all her signatures, they're Yeah. You know, so it's like, I think because of the slant or whatever it is, lefties obviously, JFK has a tough signature like Mhmm. So you know, signatures are amazing. And I also love the intricacies of the rarries as a signature. Like Paul Revere is rare because he was never a politician. Mhmm. He was just a silversmith. [00:34:47] S1: Yeah. [00:34:48] S4: So so he's much more rare than George Washington. [00:34:51] S1: Yeah. [00:34:52] S4: You know, and for my JFK collection, have an Abraham Zapruder signature, which is like the guy was a tailor [00:34:58] S1: Yeah. [00:34:59] S4: And he shot the video, and then he didn't like that he shot the video and he became a recluse even more. Interesting. And then he died before autograph collecting was... So the nuances of who has, you know, the most interesting autograph. [00:35:13] S1: Mhmm. Yeah. We saw... [00:35:16] S0: That PSA heist last week. Mhmm. I immediately clocked it as as foul play. I I was making things up on the spot, but I'm never wrong. [00:35:27] S4: I I did I did see that. I clipped your clip on my Instagram. I believe that's true. Mhmm. If... Listen. Some... It's an inside job. It's gotta be a FedEx inside job. [00:35:39] S0: Mhmm.
00:35:39 · Jordi Hays, Darren Rovell, John Coogan
[00:35:39] S0: Mhmm. [00:35:41] S4: I don't know. They they do have to figure out how to not have $17,000,000 cards on one, you know... [00:35:49] S0: Feels like if you're transporting $17,000,000 of merchandise, should transport it yourself or work with like a Brink's, you know? A style service. [00:35:58] S4: By the way, when I've had some really valuable stuff to PSA, I've flown from New York, I've gotten it graded on the site and I've flown back. [00:36:05] S1: Mhmm. [00:36:06] S4: What what is really interesting and this is an interesting business story is that FedEx is now cheaper to send something than UPS, than than USPS, than the postal service. [00:36:17] S1: Wow. [00:36:18] S4: And... But the issue is you... For... If you say you have a collectible, you can only get $1,500 of insurance. So let's say I show up to FedEx with a $30,000 item. Mhmm. Am I gonna tell them it's a collectible? No, because it is a max of 1,500. So what happens if I say it's something else? Well what happens if it gets lost? And now I've I've I've I've... It's like they don't even know the class of what it is. And what happens if I say it's $30,000? The most likely thing is for someone in the store to steal it. [00:36:47] S1: Sure. [00:36:48] S4: So it's very hard for collectors now given the price of everything To really... [00:36:54] S0: How the watch world solved this? [00:36:57] S4: I don't... Well, the watch world solves it in a way because the people who originally received the watches fly to places to their dealer, you know, at least originally.
00:36:57 · Darren Rovell, John Coogan, Jordi Hays
[00:36:57] S4: I don't... Well, the watch world solves it in a way because the people who originally received the watches fly to places to their dealer, you know, at least originally. [00:37:11] S1: Pick them up on sites. Yeah. [00:37:12] S4: Secondary, you know, I know a guy here in New Jersey who flies to, you know, Saint Louis because he's one of five guys on the Rolex list and he has to buy another $100,000 in jewelry every time, but at least he's flying. Mhmm. But there there is so much money going on these things and there really is no solution. I mean, theft is theft, but like lack of insurance and not understand like it's it's it's hard for a collector now. [00:37:40] S1: Yeah. We saw a bunch of the tech leaders sign autographs at one of these White House dinners. They're kinda all over the place. Jensen has like a fantastic beautiful signature. Greg Brockman just signed some initials in No, no, cursive. Yeah. Some people are all over the place. [00:37:57] S0: That's gonna be one of the most rare pulls that you can get. [00:38:01] S1: The GDB? Twenty fifty. The GDB. It's GDB original? GDB. Reaction to the wide variety? If you imagine yourself, if you're manifesting becoming the type of tech leader that signs autographs all the time, where do you want your signature to go to be interesting to a collector? Do you want something cursive, iconic, flowery, huge? Do you want something more unique?
00:38:01 · John Coogan, Darren Rovell
[00:38:01] S1: The GDB? Twenty fifty. The GDB. It's GDB original? GDB. Reaction to the wide variety? If you imagine yourself, if you're manifesting becoming the type of tech leader that signs autographs all the time, where do you want your signature to go to be interesting to a collector? Do you want something cursive, iconic, flowery, huge? Do you want something more unique? [00:38:25] S4: How do think about... Honestly, I think they're pretty... They're all pretty similar. You know, if you look if you look... I'm I'm not Yeah. Getting political here, but Trump is very similar to Mussolini. [00:38:36] S1: Okay. [00:38:37] S4: You know, these these guys, they're probably either gonna have something very large Yeah. Which is, you know, typical of ego. Sure. Or something crazy, which is typical of being all over the place and being ADHD. [00:38:50] S1: Okay. So you can read into the person's psyche Yeah. Whatever. Signature. It's a window to the soul. [00:38:55] S4: Donald Trump is a like Sure. A complete heartbeat, you know, up and [00:38:59] S1: down. Yep. Yeah. [00:39:01] S4: But but Elon's interesting. So I stayed away from collecting Elon Mhmm. Because I think he'd be crazy enough to maybe have an autograph signing one day. [00:39:10] S1: Oh, interesting. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you come to the Tesla launch or something, I'll just sign everything. And that would devalue everything.
00:39:10 · John Coogan, Darren Rovell
[00:39:10] S1: Oh, interesting. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you come to the Tesla launch or something, I'll just sign everything. And that would devalue everything. [00:39:18] S4: Bezos. Bezos, once he... The day I bought a piece of his, the day he was done at Amazon, I'm like Mhmm. This guy is gonna go from private plane to private island. Yep. You're never gonna find him. [00:39:30] S1: Yeah. Yeah. That's been the case. [00:39:32] S4: Yeah. Yeah. Just have... You you have to figure out who you want. But it's it's... And Jobs obviously has gone like, it's been unbelievable, his his rise. Because he almost didn't sign anything. Yeah. So now that all these checks came out... Let me just tell you this quick one. His the... So there were 50 checks that came out, like the initial Apple checks. [00:39:50] S1: Mhmm. [00:39:50] S4: They found them. They had a... They found a desk in the original garage, and they found the checks in the drawer. Those checks, the 50 combined are gonna be worth about 3,800,000. [00:40:04] S1: Wow. Woah. That's crazy. With with some of these tech leaders, is there more value to getting them to sign their product? Like, do you want Steve Jobs to sign the iPhone or Yes. An iPod or... I mean, but at a certain point, like, if I have a Elon Musk signed Cybertruck, it's like it's a truck. [00:40:21] S4: He signs... He does sign mini Teslas [00:40:24] S1: Okay. [00:40:24] S4: That go [00:40:25] S1: for it. Mini Teslas. That's insane. [00:40:26] S4: 8 to $10, like a die cast Tesla.