Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth
01:31:50 · Molly Graham
[01:31:50] S1: I'll say two things. First, I get a lot of wisdom, but also a lot of support for this kind of conversation from the community in Glue Club, and I think if you're a leader listening to this and feeling lonely and a little bit unsupported, find a community, whether it's Glue Club or another one, where you can talk about this because I do think leaning on each other to learn what's real and what's not and what's valuable and what it's not... So much of what we're doing in Glue Club is being like, "Is anybody else seeing this?" And that is really valuable. You can do it in Lennyland as well, but just get out there and talk about what's real and what's not. Don't just stay in a sad, lonely hole. But the second thing I wanted to say, Lenny, is thank you for making space for this. I think it's important. There's so much space right now for the what should I do and what skills should I get and what course should I take and what tools should I try next? Who's hot today? But we aren't talking enough about the human side of this and what it feels like to be going through this for everyone. And so I'm grateful that you reached out and we talked about making space to talk about this because I think hopefully people will leave feeling a little more sane and like, "Oh, everybody else is feeling a little crazy right now too." And there's lots of people out there grieving and that's okay. That's normal. So thank you, Lenny.
01:33:14 · Lenny Rachitsky, Molly Graham
[01:33:14] S0: Thank you, Molly. I think of these... I have a term for these sorts of episodes. I call them Trojan horse episodes where people come for all this tactical concrete, how do I use AI in this way, how do I become better PM, and then there's these like- [01:33:30] S1: You get therapy. [01:33:31] S0: Important episodes that slip right in. Yeah, exactly. And you're like, "Oh, okay. I didn't know I needed that, but that was very helpful." So welcome to the Trojan Horse. We're smuggling in. [01:33:41] S1: I love it. [01:33:42] S0: Very timely with the Odyssey these days. [01:33:44] S1: Yeah, dude. [01:33:45] S0: All right, Molly. Well, thank you so much for being here. [01:33:47] S1: Yeah. Thanks for having me, Lenny. [01:33:49] S0: Bye everyone. [01:33:50] S1: Bye everybody. [01:33:51] S0: Thank you so much for listening. If you found this valuable, you can subscribe to the show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Also, please consider giving us a rating or leaving a review as that really helps other listeners find the podcast. You can find all past episodes or learn more about the show at lennyspodcast.com. See you in the next episode.